[Guide] H90 Frenzy: A simple guide

Barbarian
#392

There isn’t really any fundamental reason you can’t condi 5 packs down with this build, it’s just a question of grinding off some of their health as you “body pull” them through the rift, while letting AD + Bloodshed kill low-health, decent progression trash. In that sense, it’s like pre-FOT Leapquake.

Actually, power is best used to kill trash and elites rather than the RG. Bosses die so fast with this build (45-60 seconds, tops, for a no-adds RG) that a power pylon can only save you maybe 15 seconds, as opposed to a gain of maybe 45-60 seconds when used to kill mobs.

Leapquake or Pro-Slam?

Leapquake will always be my favorite build. And hey, just because it’s comparatively not very powerful anymore doesn’t mean we can’t play it! I’ve been super busy IRL lately but I’d like to get back to trying to get my Leap 126 down one of these days…

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#393

Hey guys, liking frenzy !

I got a primal Echoing Fury with DMG, STR, IAS.
I think solo my Azurewrath is probably still better, but for groups probably this primal EF is better.

Not sure on what to reroll though, what do you think?
Been looking at d3planner (Frenzy DPS):

Getting 24 AD (have no other AD rolls currently):

DMG -> AD : -5.36%
STR -> AD : -6.47% (If ~15k STR, current)
STR -> AD : -4.30% (If ~20k STR, will take a while)
IAS -> AD :
wotb-no , EF stacks-no : -5.00%
wotb-yes, EF stacks-no : -6.25%
wotb-yes, EF stacks-yes : -0.00% (IAS has no effect when both are up)

Or, getting CDR:

This would allow me to:
- re-roll gloves CDR -> VIT
- Para 1k VIT - > 1k STR (had 1k VIT in para to get 600k HP)

DMG -> CDR (para 1k VIT -> 1k STR) : +1.03%
STR -> CDR (para 1k VIT -> 1k STR) : -
IAS -> CDR (para 1k VIT -> 1k STR) :
wotb-no , EF stacks-no : +2.77%
wotb-yes, EF stacks-no : +0.20%
wotb-yes, EF stacks-yes : +6.07% (IAS has no effect when both are up)

#394

Hey DCoil,

So first, a note: for groups, EF is not really ideal any more than AZ is, as the Fear proc will mess up whatever grouping your Zbarb is applying, while building up CC resist on the mobs. Also, in groups, killing trash is not really going to be your job. Instead, you just need to kill the RG as fast as possible. Options for being an RGK are discussed in the OP.

But, for more casual groups, either AZ or EF will do in a pinch. And hey, some people prefer solo pushing with EF. You should give it a try and see how it feels to you.

As for a reroll on the EF itself, hmm, it’s kind of complicated…

So, if you’re using the weapon in groups, I would definitely not take the AD. Like I said, killing trash isn’t going to be your job.

In terms of damage gained, I think that your best option may actually be rerolling IAS to CDR, and then rolling the CDR on your CoE to CHD. This should add 8-9% damage consistently, which is better than the 1-6% you could be getting from swapping VIT to STR.

Hope that helps, good luck out there!

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#395

Hey Rage,

Nice spot on the ring, didn’t consider that.
Might take a while before getting a better CoE, so that make sense, cheers.

I like EF so far for groups, not doing high GR pushes / “optimal” groups atm.
I like the constant stacks during the rift.
It seems I have a decent Pig Sticker and Doombringer I could use for more “optimal” groups down the road. :slight_smile:

Hmm solo I didn’t like EF so far, but only tried like 2 or 3 with EF.
Could’ve been the rifts, but felt like I was lacking toughness quite a bit.
I ran some AZ vs EF tests on Ghom in game, the kill time was roughly the same.
So that should mean technically my EF could be better solo if I could solve the toughness issue without sacrificing (too much) damage.

#396

If you do go with EF, you obviously want to swap out your APDs for either Morticks or Vambraces.

#397

Vambraces of Sescheron?
Ye, tried those instead of APDs.
Maybe more HP/AR? (not getting lph on bracers for example)

#398

Sure, you can try swapping some LpH for Vit or AllRes. You could also try out the Aughild setup, if you have good pieces of that set. Some people have achieved outstanding results with it.

#399

Hi Rage. I found pretty decent primal boots yesterday from the H90 Set. Str,Vit,Allres. As secondarys they have Globe-pickupradius + Globeheal increased. I looked at the rerolls and saw that you can reroll one of those to 5.1 % chance to make enemies unable to move. Would this count as a “Stun” and would i benefit from it considering my AZ has 22.1 % Chance to freeze?

Edit: I also found a nice helmet with 940 str 899 vita , 128 allres, 1 socket , chance to fear. Instead of rerolling Allres to Crit i rerolled vita cause i wanted resistance…but then i thought that those could have been 899 str and therefore extradmg and armor. So was this a bad choice?

#400

For solo I tried EF + Aughild + BoM.
It’s working out quite nicely!

#401

Hey Psikill,

Nope, that doesn’t count as Stun or Freeze and doesn’t help you. You mentioned Str, Vit, and AllRes, but what’s the last primary on the boots? You want to reroll it to Armor, whatever it is.

Well, maybe a little. Technically, AllRes will eventually be better than Vit, once you have a lot of paragon. But it doesn’t sound to me like you are planning to reach 5k paragon or anything like that this season.

But AllRes is certainly not bad in that spot, and with that there you may be able to run with a little less Vit/Life than you normally do, because of the extra defense.

Glad to hear it!

#402

Ahh cool , ty for your fast response. Glad to hear all-res wasnt a bad choice ^^. I am playing non-season mainly and sitting on 2,2 k Paragon. Currently compairing CoE and Aughild Variant. But its quite hard to compare as your speed is depending on the Rift by a big amount.

Why is there no Mention of Strongarm Bracers in your guide? I tried them and they work niceley and are apreciated in Groups

#403

Well, there isn’t really a compelling case for using Strongarms. I’ve tried them out a bunch in solo push and come to the conclusion that you really need to get some defense from your bracer (APD, Mortick’s, Vambraces).

For serious groups, your job as a Frenzy Barb is as a RGK, or maybe finishing off an occasional elite, and the best setup for doing that is one of the very glassy RGK setups. I do suppose that the “European” RGK variant could do even more damage if you swapped out Mortick’s for Strongarms! I’ll think about adding that as a note in the RGK section.

For off-metas, if you’re liking the Strongarms, stick with them!

#404

Ty for all the tips and frequent replies Rage. I was able to clear 124 yesterday with this being my current setup:

https://www.d3planner.com/222218900

Any tips what on what item would give me the biggest dmg-boost at this point?

Guess it would be an Amulett with 20% colddmg instead of 1000 Strength but …pretty unrealistic to find. Any rerolls i could do to increase dmg further?

Edit: 125 done. but thats about it

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#405

Hey man, good job on the 125. Taking a look at your gear…

So regarding an amulet, even finding an ancient with something like 9% CHC / 90% CHD / 15% Cold would give you a little bit more damage than you have now (you’d drop about 7% dmg from Str, CHC, and CHD, but gain about 11% damage from the cold%). So keep your eyes open.

Also, it’s too late now, but you shouldn’t generally have AS on your Azurewrath. It doesn’t actually help you in terms of breakpoints, and adds no damage in your current setup.

An ideal AZ will have Cold%-CDR-LPH or Cold%-CDR-AD. Or, if you can’t make it to the 47% CDR breakpoint (if playing CoE variant, which you aren’t) based on other rolls on your gear, and so only need to hit the 29% breakpoint, it could have Cold%-AD-LPH. Anyway, like I said, it’s too late now, but that’s still a solid weapon.

Not much else with an obvious upgrade available. But, with your paragon and Augments, I’m pretty sure you’ve got a few more GRs in the tank. 126 for sure, maybe 127 too.

Good luck!

#406

Hi Rage,
Yesterday I cleared 123 in 10:40 with the AW setup (S21).

https://www.d3planner.com/464489019

I have a few questions for you.

  1. Haven’t rolled my chest yet, shall I stick to your guide and roll thorns to Missile dmg reduction or roll Vit to reduced dmg from elites?
  2. I also have a primal EF in my stash with STR, AS and %dmg, what should I roll to CDR? I suppose AS.
  3. Wanna try the setup with Sankis too, do I need AS on the Sankis or does the same apply as above?
  4. Any other tips for my gear?
    *Have also a primal CoE in my stash with chc, chd and cdr but with poison ressistance. Haven’t used this because I can’t get 47% with my gloves even if I roll CDR on my OK.
#407

Good job! You mean the AZ setup, right?

1: STR-AllRes-EliteRed will be the best set of rolls, especially as you gain paragon. But, rolling off Vit now will really mean you have to make that up by shifting paragon points from Str. At this moment, that looks like it’ll cost you about 2.8% damage. That’s not a lot, but if you feel like you are just missing clearing the next GR “by inches”, you may wish to just leave the chest as it is (and maybe reroll it later).

2: Yeah, for your paragon, probably reroll the AS. It’s a bit complicated to explain, but because of the low base speed of maces plus the EF stacks that speed you up, having AS there doesn’t help you as much. If you were Paragon 5000 or something, however, you would do better to keep the AS and roll off STR.

3: For Sankis, the best set of rolls for you will be Fire%-AS-CDR.

4: Not really. You already know that the 47% CDR breakpoint is optimal. But, missing that, the next one down is 29%. Just make sure you stay above that mark.

Good luck!

#408

Thanks for the quick reply Rage!
Good to know that the next CDR breakpoint is 29%, an ancient compass rose with chc, chd will do fine then for me :slight_smile:

#409

Hey Rage!

I’ve tried H90 today for the first time.
I was surprised because I can do GR around 110 actually pretty fast. Things start to slow down after 115, and above 120 (my current record) I will need to start fishing.

My Gear is still far from ideal (I used the items I had available in the stash) and I have no augments yet. I chose CDR over AS on all the rolls because I couldn’t get both with my imperfect gear - not sure if it was a good call!

Cheers!

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#410

Hey Wanderer,

Glad you’re enjoying the build!

If you can optimize either CDR or AS, you will probably get a hair more offense out of the AS. But, CDR is better defensively, as it means you spend less more time being immune to CC. There’s no obvious choice there.

Most stuff I know about the build is in the guide, but if you have any questions, ask, and I’ll answer!

Good luck out there.

#411

First time looking at the frenzy guid, awesome! I’ve played frenzy since last season when I was still on console before getting a pc back.

Must say I’m glad to see some 120+ clears with it. I’ve only managed to get 119 gr passes before I hit a wall and proceeded with wwrend to edge to 121.

I hit 123 on console using aughilds (spelling) so tried it again this season on pc but couldn’t quit but 120 with it. After looking at this guide I’m sure I did not optimize good for rolls lol. There is something special about generator builds that can hit above 110GR I just love.

Just tried 120 with Augh set and FoT with CoE instead of endless walk set and with a bad start to maps, I did complete it so will be experimenting with this setup more. ( lost augment on amulet with this change and not fully augmented. Also do not have my simplicity gem up to the 120 level yet).

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