hi guys.
can anyone here explain why when i put on my gold leach build on dh, details say my gold find is 59, 722% and when i use basically same gear on wizard my gold find is 745%?
only real diffrence i can find is that the dh pet give 10% extra gold, but that doesn´t explain the diffrence here.
thanks for any answer <3
Because you forgot to carry over the Follower items that add to it…
even if i remove all items with gold find from followers the difference is huge.
and even if i didn´t, what items would even make up for it?
Gold Find’s effectiveness on followers is cut by 80%, so that’s not the reason.
The only possible cause of this discrepancy is the difficulty setting, that OP was in T16 on his DH and much lower difficulty on his Wiz since the sheet gold find takes gold bonus based on game difficulty into account.
I provided the answer on the EU forums, where you asked the same thing…
Short version…
+GF items on followers gives additive bonus to hero’s +GF
+GF items on hero gives multiplicative bonus to hero’s +GF
the real question is why do you even need that much gold find…
if you’re trying to do Avarice just put a gold find gem on your helm and max out your gold find in paragon and you’re gtg
That was changed to pickup radius. I’d say this is a good change, but it did put quite a dent in gold find for always-empowering rift.
Empowering GR10 costs 560,000 gold.
Empowering GR20 costs 2,280,000 gold.
Empowering GR30 costs 5,800,000 gold.
Empowering GR40 costs 9,500,000 gold.
Empowering GR50 costs 15,600,000 gold.
Empowering GR60 costs 25,400,000 gold.
Empowering GR70 costs 34,100,000 gold.
Empowering GR80 costs 45,800,000 gold.
Empowering GR90 costs 61,000,000 gold.
Empowering GR100 costs 82,000,000 gold.
Empowering GR110 costs 111,000,000 gold.
Empowering GR120 costs 149,000,000 gold.
Empowering GR130 costs 201,000,000 gold.
I don’t know the values for GR140 / GR150, as I’ve never gotten that high but, as you can easily see, the gold cost to empower GRs rises steeply the higher the GRs you’re doing. Whilst you get approximately two thirds of the empowerment cost back on completion, you still have to factor in paying one third of the empowerment cost per GR if you want the extra gem upgrade rolls.
If you assume that you get 4-5 GR keys per T16 rift (3 guaranteed, 50% of 4th, follower emanating the set that can generate extra keys) then, on average, from 10 T16 rifts you’d have 40-50 keys so let’s say 45 keys.
If you wanted to empower 45 GR130s, that would cost you…
45 * 201,000,000 gold = 9,045,000,000 gold.
Two thirds of that will be returned on completion of each GR which is a rebate of…
(9,045,000,000 / 3) * 2 gold = 6,030,000,000 gold.
Which means the net cost for running 45 empowered GR130s would be…
9,045,000,000 - 6,030,000,000 gold = 3,015,000,000 gold.
Okay, so to fund that purely from gold obtained by running the T16 rifts that generate the keys, each of the T16 runs would need to generate…
3,015,000,000 / 45 gold = 67,000,000 gold.
Without some significant +Gold Find, you’re not going to be earning 67 million gold per T16 run.
hey ye wasn´t sure id get an answer on eu forum, it seems like less people are on there.
thanks for the answer on both!
Yep Meteorblade is right i dont need it for avarice huhu, i need it for empowering gr everytime.
its expensive stuff ^^
I think I might have some gold find on my gear, haven’t looked in a while, but I get over 100m for each run I do of T16. With a lot of GF, you might be able to eek out 200m.
hah…i tooootally forgot about empowering derrr
Empowering GR140 costs 270,000,000 gold.
Empowering GR150 costs 363,000,000 gold.
Most of the time you stop empowering grift once you have enough gems, which happens quite fast really. 260 runs already give you full 100 calde (which you rarely need because you rarely have 13 items to augment after only 260 grifts).
Worst case scenario, you can go 2 empowered 1 non empowered and not waste time with gold find.
Damiyan, it sounds like your Wizard may be playing on a lower difficulty than your Demon Hunter. The base gold find on T16 is 7,000% which then gets increased by gear.
I just tested on a barb with minimal gold find: Sitting at 158% on Normal versus close to 16,000% on T16. Same gear, just changing difficulty.
Just to add, around 64-67k% you get roughly 600m-1b per rift, around 1b each puzzle and 2-3b ancient puzzle.
Keep in mind mystic and level up regular gems can be really costly. My spenses in a week goes roughly 20b when I trying to improve the gear or gear up a build/character. Those costs have some spikes as you get newer items down the road. Playing solo often gold becomes really important to make your self-improving curve to keep somewhat great. Most of my gear rolls on mystic I spent like 1-4m each roll, take in mind that’s a RNG odds and not always you get “decent” or in some cases perfect rolls.
By far most of my gold issues come from regular gems and mystic. Empowering GR becomes just a minor expense and avoiding to have that extra time upgrade would mean one less chance to level up one of your equipped gems. Considering that folks also fish GR, not using the extra gold empowering could be also bad, rifts and puzzle are nice gold boosters because most of the builds already have enough damage. So maximizing the odds on all modes it’s most efficient way to do stuff. Having huge amount of GF while doing lower difficulty content means more resources later to be spent in several ways without compromises. Even on gr that most likely you gonna fail, it’s fine the expense because if you complete it’s a extra chance to level up one of your gems it’s better compromise on lower difficulties than compromise on higher content. Also to get a decent GF gear you spend a ton of gold, so after some runs you get the investment back
running a t16 rift with good gf gear will net you about 300-700 million depending on how much of the rift you do, a vault will get you 600 million - which is enough gold to empower 3-4x >120 rifts. If you doing massive amounts of 130+ grs - it not worth it to do many empowerings unless you are really certain youre not going to die
In my opinion it’s always worth empowering, if there’s enough gold.
If player manages to get enough gold just by running T16 (and not going any slower), that’s all bonus.
For me: I usually start having extra leveled gems in my inventory some 6-8 weeks after season start. Until that point, it makes sense to spend nearly all gold to empowering GRs.
the best ways I’ve made gold are…and this assuming you max out gold find in your paragon, using a gold find gem and having a max ‘Boon of the hoarder’.
You can also incorporate an Avarice band and a Goldskin on your follower both of which emanates. You should spend all your shards on rings and try and get Puzzle rings.
If you spend 1 day or even a few hours doing this you’ll make billions…happy farming xD