To be honest the whirlwind build is exelence for speed and farming, so it’ll be too op if it can be a top push build, too.
But I think it’s about 7-10 levels below the BARB’s top build is ok. So it’ll be better if they just buff the other push build so barb can reach 138+ with those builds and leave whirlwind at 133-135.
To be honest the whirlwind build is exelence for speed and farming, so it’ll be too op if it can be a top push build, too.
Disagree. Speed farming requires a different gear and skill setup, whether it is good or not for farming doesn’t affect how good it can be while pushing, it;s completely irrelevant. Furthermore, why should a build be forced to only gear up for and only do one thing?
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So are quite a few builds. UE DH is great at everything, so is Vyr/chant.
But the other barb builds suck. Raekors is one of the least enjoyable sets in the game right now, and the other barb builds are, you guessed it, underperforming. Right now there is no build that can hit 140 for barb, so whats the problem with WW being that build? Nothing.
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Why is it a problem for some people if we got fast pushing build?
What’s wrong with you?
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I’m sorry speed is a requirement for a top push build and what is or isn’t good for farming is irrelevant. At top tier WW is just as hard as any other build for reasons i discussed earlier.
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But it really can’t do that… Either you push at a normal rate like everyone else, or you spec for speed farms and be squishy…
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This is what I always think with the people whose class regulates them to a zbuild for meta play. That whole scenario while great for the other classes that take advantage it stinks for fans of Barbs and Monks .
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zbuild is fine and all, but when I play a Barbarian, that spins around like a dust devil, I expect to wreck havoc and destroy things. Not be the nanny of the party 
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@Meteorblade
First. I think the GR clear will be 144-146 based on the PTR and darkpatator’s assessment. If we take my average of 145 and the minimum possibility of 143 and split the difference we get 144. You’re response would be so what?
Barb 144-7= 137 Not balanced.
I would agree with your assessment. There is one big problem. Read what I wrote:
So what I advocated for is:
Barb at 140.5 @ 100% rend damage on lamentation.
Seems well-balanced to me.
Note added: If people think that I advocated for complete removal of the rend damage bonus from lamentation, I would reread the second post in this thread. Moreover, for people with good memories, the OP suggested 100% also as a minimum compromise. The OP was subsequently edited to remove this.
P.S. Need to sort through my seasonal stash , will check back later.
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Good way to look at the joy of playing WW. Barbs as nanny, you will not get away from them so easy! 
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First. I think the GR clear will be 144-146.
Are we going to base our assumptions on what we think could happen, or what actually does happen? In any case, at this point a 100% multiplier would be better than nothing…
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Except you’re pulling that barb 144-7 from where the sun don’t shine. Ain’t no rainbows in that dark. Come back when you have some data to support it.
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Exactly. If WW can somehow manage to hit 145+ on live, and the other classes that are already doing better than that get nerfed to around 140, then I would agree that a small nerf would be in order. Even if, Barbs do kinda deserve to even be OP for a little while, but I won’t get into that 
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At this point I think we all agrees with the first one posted this, that the Ww build should be keep as it was in the 2.6.7 PTR and buff Barb’s other builds so they can het closer to top tiers of other classes.
I asked some players of other classds and they all agreed that this nerf was too significant. I really hope the devs to re-consider it (it seems that they do, since we havent got any information about s19 start date and the new patch even the release date’s near).
But if they delay s19 because of it I’ll be raged, too, for it’s just a descision of to nerf or not to nerf.
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#MakeBarbsGreatAgain
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I have no problem with WWrend having pairity with other top builds. I have no problem with WWrend being a couple of GR above other top builds. I have no problem with Proslam or Hota being above WWrend. I have a problem with WWrend being half a dozen GR behind everyone else. I have a problem with every monk build being below the basement. Maybe the fixed Crusader maybe not but they should be right up with every other class. But the subject of this thread is WWrend and Lamentation.
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Exactly. He thinks barbs can do 144-146. And I think the wiz and necro can finish 150 solo.
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I want Barb to have a build that can push up to 138+, too, but the devs don’t seem to.
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You keep using that word. What did the data actually say? Darkpotatosalad actually did a 140 in 14 minutes, with what he calls the best mob types and the best rift floor. He -said- he can do a 148 in the post on the Barb forums. Are we really going to believe he can get eight more GR levels with months of fishing? I find that kind of hard to believe. The damage just isn’t there to go that much further. Even if the max is 144, which is spectacularly more reasonable than 148, a wizard with 6k paragon did a 143 with Vyr/chant. If that wizard had 10.5k paragon like DP has, they would still be doing 143/144 after the nerf. So a 10.5k para wiz post nerf, and a 10.5k WW with lamentation going live as it was on PTR will be doing the same GRs. No thoughts or feelings necessary.
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Well keeping in the DIO spirit how about “shame on the night”.
Shame on micro
For what ive seen
For giving me the craziest schemes
And you never know just what they mean
And shame on PTR
You’ve stollen the day, snatched it away
But I saw the sky and I never want to die
Now you know the reason why…
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