From the Barb Community: DO NOT NERF REND

[DIONGWON-1224]

@Roidraged-1214

I couldn’t agree more.
I’d say the barb community deserves an apology from MicroRNA. Multiple people have proven him wrong multiple times over. I don’t know why he has an unwarranted vendetta against barbs, but at the very least, he could apologize for trying construe a narrative that barb needed any type of nerf at all.

@Prokahn-1764

Apology? Him? I am guessing he got banned for trolling so we won’t see him for a while. But even so, he will argue with some tables that he does not need to apologize and he contributed significantly to buffing the barbarian class…

Hahaha, agree with this, don’t even mention that name. Your best hope is not seeing that name in any of your threads.

[shadowforge-11827]

Orange text is always a multiplier. The white text like the 15% rolled on shoulders is additive

[Primal-21908]

Déjà vu
Don’t worry guys… We all know how this works. We will get the 200% buff. We just have to wait a few years like with the bracers!
Déjà vu

[Jako-1213]

I saw a couple of trolls on reddit actually celebrating the nerf because they hate Free.

You stay classy D3 community.

[Livsångest-2140]

Your use of Darkpotatoes makes me laugh a little every time.

[Gasnick-2400]

@Primal-21908

We just have to wait a few years like with the bracers!
Déjà vu

You mean Mortick’s Bracers?

The Tale of Mortick's Brace

Watch the video it’s worth it

[Hadd-1524]

The worst part is: the build is not even OP. If it goes live unchanged Wizard will still be #1

[Khaelos-1753]

Devs better hear this “warcry” this time. REVERT THE NERF. I’d say much much more but I’ve already posted tons on this topic in the past day or so on the issue. Nerf is unwarranted. REVERT

[Silvers-2609]

Small, vindictive, dishonest people are of small importance, even if they are great in numbers. Thankfully we have well established barb community here, which I am always happy to read into. You guys are a beacon in the night, remember that.

[Manowar-2684]

GR140 clear @10k plvl today already looks like yesterday’s achievement
Therefore, just return a 200% multiplayer to Lamentation is not enough
Plz add at least 300-400% multiplayer to it so that tomorrow we could just compete with today’s Necros and Wizes

[Hadd-1524]

The berserker is supposed to be a dps class. That’s the way it is in every game. Barbarian is stuck in zdps role for yeeeeaaaars now. This doesn’t make any sense. Then people who played the D4 demo stated that “it feels like druid has more damage than barb”, it never ends folks. Bring back Jay Wilson, those were the days we were treated with respect

[Nick-113258]

REVERT THE NERF

“We are listening”

lets see…

[Manowar-2684]

From the Barb Community: DO NOT NERF REND BUT BUFF instead!

[Fuzzy-12814]

A further buff would be nice, yes, but lets not get greedy (though its deserved)

[Hadd-1524]

Look at this approval rate, man. The community is on fire!!! We are bringing Arreat down to be heard if we have to!!!

[MicroRNA-1507]

The OP and I have different viewpoints, even though we both seem to agree that 100% rend damage on lamentation could be a possibility. At the end of the day, the developers will decide how best to move forward relative to their ideas about class balance. I can not imagine that Blizzard would make any decisions based on a single clear but rather a more wholistic assessment of the data (e.g. see post #63 or so for another way to look at the data.)

[deRp-12650]

you are the reason why it was nerf when it wasn’t even that OP like the other classes , you should be ban from ever making / posting on the forums ever again .

[Hadd-1524]

Micro, you can say all you want… You’re not welcomed at this community anymore. Nobody will ask for you to stay. Find the way out yourself…

[Aleas-1169]

I talked to my friends who main other classes. Some of them were going to play Barb this season. Even wizards. For a change. Now they heard about this unneeded nerf, and they are disappointed.

[Prokahn-1764]

FYI: I made an update in my thread

@Prokahn-1764

Appendix

A comment below calls this out being emotional so I would like to clear this doubt by putting real time example from Era 11 solo leaderboards.

• I carried out this statistical observations in another thread https://us.forums.blizzard.com/en/d3/t/analysis-balance-why-wwrend-nerf/5298?u=prokahn-1764
• Here I would like to take out two example classes: Wizards and Barbarians. Below you can see the distribution of the GR clears by these two classes

• If let’s say, the developers decide to balance according to the top clears of these two classes, which are 131 for barbarians while 141 for wizards. Let’s assume that they buffed barbarian resulting in +10GRs. The resulting distribution of the GR clears may look like below (not certain as in reality we need new data, but let’s make a crude assumption here). If you look at this new clear distribution, the top clears match perfectly, which constitutes less than 1% of the whole playerbase. In other words, balance will be felt only at the very high levels. However, if you go towards the median, which now lies at 120 GR, Wizards are still 4 GR more powerful. Note that this GR level constitutes about 80% of the whole player base. Therefore, the game is still unbalanced for most of the average players.

• Now let’s assume that the developers decided to stop looking at the very top clears and decided to look for the median clears. As a result, instead of buffing barbarians +10GRs, they buffed them +14GRs. The resulting distribution may look like below. As you see in this figure, not only the most of the playerbase clear distribution across most of the median GRs the same, but also the top clear lines are almost the same. However, there will always be either wizard or a barbarian pushing for the highest possible rift. There will be a real competition in the leaderboards. Moreover, more than 80% of the playerbase will also feel the balance with the top class (Wizards in this case). In this example, the barbarian and wizard distribution overlaps very well thanks to the past balancing efforts on barbarians, but this exact overlap will not be observed in every class. As long as the median values are matched, the feeling of balance should be similar.

I hope this clarifies that the intend to balance the game considering the average playerbase is actually a good thing for everybody playing this game and the PTR adjustments must be made accordingly. This will only be possible if paragon is limited to a typical 800 value and the legendary gems are limited to 100, which is pretty achievable by most players (solo or group).

Cheers