Empowered shrine fishing needs to go

[PonuryMnich-25840]

Pray this GR changes are permanent, because it didn’t apply to current Nonseason lol, so im worried its not permanent and next season fishing will be annoying

[Slothic-2483]

@Ronin010-1772

Says the person who only reads patch notes instead of playing the game and actually fishing.

https://prnt.sc/X_QUzahrgYrS

@Ronin010-1772

Also, moving goalposts again? (You only addressed a small part of my post)

@Ronin010-1772

Empowered shrine from potion needs to be removed as a gameplay mechanic. This is artificially inflating the time to obtain a pushable GR, for no good reason.

I suggest three solutions:

1. Remove Empowered shrine from potion altogether
2. Ensure that first shrine procced is ALWAYS Empowered Shrine
3. Grant ALL shrines at start of rift. Potion no longer procs shrines. (This has a downside because extra CDR can sometimes hurt a build, esp. when interacting with Soul Shards. So Solutions 1+2 are recommended).

P.S.: If you are not someone who rips hundreds of keys to obtain a good GR for pushing, please do not comment on this thread. Your opinion is irrelevant.

@Slothic-2483

Keep it as is.

That is my reply to your entire post. There is no changing my stance on this. I have seen your posts, I told you already, I disagree with you on a fundamental level.

[Slothic-2483]

@PonuryMnich-25840

Pray this GR changes are permanent, because it didn’t apply to current Nonseason lol, so im worried its not permanent and next season fishing will be annoying

Those are patch notes from Season 26.

[Ronin010-1772]

@Leviathan-1945

In the case of fishing, the patch notes and playing align. Those changes effectively reduced fishing frequency.

I am speaking from empirical evidence. In the current patch I typically spend upward of a thousand keys for a good Orek’s Dream to clear. In the older days, it would have been only hundreds.

@Leviathan-1945

Easy with throwing around idioms. Not responding to every point isn’t moving goalposts.

Quoting out of context, perhaps. But his first response was a classic case of moving goalposts.

[PonuryMnich-25840]

Oh right, thought its from s29, it supposed to remove some GR maps too, you are right, s29 gr fishing changes are not on NS, makes me worried ;>

[Leviathan-1945]

That wasn’t the reply sequence I was talking about.

[Slothic-2483]

@PonuryMnich-25840

Oh right, thought its from s29, it supposed to remove some GR maps too, you are right, s29 gr fishing changes are not on NS, makes me worried ;>

Now see THERE’S a solution to fishing, just make every map good.

[Ronin010-1772]

Okay, can you clarify which sequence?

Also what are your thoughts on:

@Ronin010-1772

I am speaking from empirical evidence. In the current patch I typically spend upward of a thousand keys for a good Orek’s Dream to clear. In the older days, it would have been only hundreds.

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[PonuryMnich-25840]

At least remove a3 and a4 maps with doors from GR pool would be appreciated

@Slothic-2483

Keep it as is. If you don’t want to fish, you can grind more gons.

Thats also true and i like that answer a lot but still, the doors uhh… or they could at least change so we could teleport past the doors or something…
And paragons dont give you Empower Shrine 50% cooldown red and 100% resource regen so theres that,
BUT we have altar power for mana on crit so Two buffs for regen are too much, and the cooldown is too much also enables too many sick interactions, like if the game isnt broken (easy) enough already

[Leviathan-1945]

@Ronin010-1772

Okay, can you clarify which sequence?

The one I quoted.

@Ronin010-1772

Also what are your thoughts on:

Fishing for Orek’s Dreams is impractical due to its rarity. Just fishing for regular good maps/mobs is sufficient, just as it was before Orek’s Dreams were added.

[Ronin010-1772]

@Leviathan-1945

Fishing for Orek’s Dreams is impractical due to its rarity. Just fishing for regular good maps/mobs is sufficient, just as it was before Orek’s Dreams were added.

Easy to see that you either did not play S29/patch 2.7.6 at all, or didn’t do any serious pushing while you were at it. Big news: Orek’s Dream has become almost a necessity for a top clear this patch.

But let’s not digress here. This thread is about Empowered shrine fishing.

[Slothic-2483]

@PonuryMnich-25840

At least remove a3 and a4 maps with doors from GR pool would be appreciated

Completely Agree, would pay 20$ to make it happen.

@PonuryMnich-25840

thats also true and i like that answer a lot but still, the doors uhh,
and paragons dont give you 50% cooldown red and 100% resource regen so theres that,
BUT we have altar power for mana on crit so Two buffs for regen are too much, and the cooldown is too much also enables too many sick interactions, like if the game isnt broken (easy) enough already

Game is for me, perfectly balanced in terms of difficulty, however I only really play LoD BombSader these days. It’s my favorite build. Tanky, big group pulls and barrels full of mead raining down on my enemies!

The cooldown is only really a problem because of Essence of Anguish, letting you hit over 85% CDR alongside empowered shrine. This enables some really whacky interactions for sure. But it’s just for one season. I don’t mind the empowered shrine, or the fishing for it at all. I enjoy it. Like I said earlier, it’s like playing the slot machine and hitting the jackpot.

[Leviathan-1945]

There are plenty of regular floors that are just as good as Orek’s, especially since it’s well known that not all Orek’s map/mob combinations are perfectly ideal. The purpose of Orek’s Dream was to give a better chance at ideal combinations, not to guarantee them.

@Ronin010-1772

But let’s not digress here. This thread is about Empowered shrine fishing.

Agreed.

[Ronin010-1772]

@Leviathan-1945

I played S29, I completed many GR150 in both SC and HC all with ~1700 paragon at the time. No Orek’s in any of them.

I don’t see you on the latest leaderboards. Do you have photo or video evidence of your claim? Just doing a 150 doesn’t mean much, it’s the rank that matters.

[Leviathan-1945]

Sorry my mistake, I confused S29 with 28. I’ll remove the related comments above. Apologies.

As to rank, like I said,

@Leviathan-1945

There are plenty of regular floors that are just as good as Orek’s, especially since it’s well known that not all Orek’s map/mob combinations are perfectly ideal. The purpose of Orek’s Dream was to give a better chance at ideal combinations, not to guarantee them.

[Slothic-2483]

@Leviathan-1945

Sorry my mistake, I confused S29 with 28.

But I thought this was about empowered shrines… Which would have been S28, which means, tbh, it’s valid.

[Ronin010-1772]

Wow, S28. The season with the very OP theme that we were originally meant to discuss, and where Orek’s Dream was actually not a necessity. Perhaps we should actually not digress, because you are hopeless to do otherwise.

[Leviathan-1945]

@Ronin010-1772

and where Orek’s Dream was actually not a necessity.

Again, it’s not now or ever has been.

And with the altar combined with seasonal themes going forward, it’s still not going to be a necessity, even moreso. S30 is the first where all class/build predictions are all over GR150. That wasn’t even the case for S28.

And again, sorry. I’m human, unlike you apparently.

[Logan-2916]

@Ronin010-1772

I think removing potion power makes sense. Less RNG the better at this point.

yeah let’s remove all fun from this game… we don’t need it anyway… we can always NOT play at all, right ? That’s fun…

[Ronin010-1772]

@Leviathan-1945

And with the altar combined with seasonal themes going forward, it’s still not going to be a necessity, even moreso. S30 is the first where all class/build predictions are all over GR150. That wasn’t even the case for S28.

Let’s set this straight. It was NOT a necessity before S29 (including S28), nor will it be a necessity in S30 and onwards, due to return of the Altar. But it IS almost a necessity in S29/patch 2.7.6.

Also, the “level of necessity” depends on the build. The more a build relies on killing trash to the exclusion of elites, the more it depends on OD. For instance, LoD twister relied a lot on OD in S26, even while other builds that season didn’t as much.

Because the extra progression orbs from Altar makes all builds less dependent on OD, this is one of the features that I enjoy most about Altar. But this cannot justify adding in Empowered shrine as an additional RNG mechanic.

@Logan-2916

yeah let’s remove all fun from this game… we don’t need it anyway… we can always NOT play at all, right ? That’s fun

Sigh, slippery slope, yet another fallacy. Just because I want one mechanic removed, doesn’t mean I want them all removed. Pretty easy to understand right?