Really not a fan of demon hunters and crusaders or whatever class that specifically skips all normal mobs and hunts elites exclusively in a PUBLIC GR GAME (not low GRs). Or inexperienced Vyr’s player that does the same. Or sometimes z classes. Or both.
When the stars align, I know that this may be hard for some to believe but pub games can sometimes form a good composition team consisting of trash killer, elite killer/rgk, zmonk and zbarb. It is not meta but it can still climb pretty high compared to your average random 4 classes. I know that this is a pub game but still common sense are no where to be found.
Scenario A - Elite Hunter (DH, Crus) skips all trash and hunts elites only and is way ahead of the entire party. Vyr’s player feels the need to catch up and proceed to skips everything as well. Note that it is extremely inefficient to only rely on elites for progression as that is not how it works in higher GR levels. Z classes that knows whats up feels like, why am I playing with these bunch of baboons.
Scenario B - Elite Hunter (DH, Crus) skips all trash and hunts elites only and is way ahead of the entire party. Supports or other classes feels the need to catch up and proceed to skips everything as well. Note that it is extremely inefficient to only rely on elites for progression as that is not how it works in higher GR levels. Vyr’s player that knows whats up feels like, why am I playing with these bunch of baboons.
All in all, I’m not against anyone playing these classes but try to learn the difference between solo and group plays. A little common sense goes a long way.
Two options;
1.) Get mobility to catch up with elite-hunters and get higher elite damage to steal their kills. There are loads of movement speed bonus items, get creative. Also pickup radius could help you shrug some hits by heal globes to keep chasing them one step behind.
2.) Accept that you’re a slow-hiker, stack area damage and crowd control to sweep up more trash and at least help other party members not get slowed down and gain progress while doing so. They’ll love you for it when they hit a pylon.
I believe that you are not getting the point here at all. I am referring to elite hunters triggering the entire group to skip 3-5 screens worth of trash just because an elite hunter skipped them while in fact a GOOD Vyr’s player could really get some good progression going, clearing those trash.
They are mainly in it for the increased MF and Exp that a party gives them.
If you are playing in a public party then you need to know if it is a speed run or push run, for speed then most people will move as fast as possible and not take the time to group things when there is an elite around the corner.
This is just normal play and you should not be surprised by it, it is what this game has devolved to, its now all about speed not content.
It takes time to gather trash and kill them. most people in a public setting that do not have aoe/trash killing ability will not waste their time on it and just keep moving forward.
If this isnt for you then you should probably try and make groups yourself rather than play public games.
I dont personally like playing public since the people in them usually dont know left from right, or have no other choice but to play them and dont care anything about who else is there or what class they are playing or they just cant find people that want to play with them.
i suggest finding a good clan of people that play the way you enjoy playing and join them , or make groups yourself. Random public Gr games are always the least desirable choice.
Get into a clan or perhaps team up with people you like the playstyle from.
It’s public, people do whatever they want to. If you don’t like it, either make your own game, find a group for it or suggest a kick if needed.
If I did not make it clear. Let me explain again. In games where a Z Support Class is needed, things do not explode in mere seconds. And I am not talking about speeds. Its about public games where try hards are trying their very best to push the limits of the group. And this includes the most popular wiz build today, Vry’s. Now you apply what I have written above.
I play a lot of pub games, and my best advice would be don’t expect anything in those games. It is kind of like driving, shopping, or going out. The public is the public. Perhaps if we manage to train the public on how to properly grift we can then apply it to other areas of life.
In public GR games no-one is looking for support classes; they are speed runs. If they needed heals or buffs, they wouldn’t be 3-5 screens ahead. No point in playing a support build, you’re just slowing the group down. Take a mobile DPS build and keep up with them.
If the group really wants to push, they’ll ask for zmonk/zbarb. If they don’t, assume it is speeds and play accordingly.
Yeah there’s no such thing as a Public GR push since the people you get are randomized. You can’t find group coordination, or the specific class/build you need for a maximum clear.
People come to public game for some super fast and convenient runs, not wait around for you to catch up and cry about it. Get in, kill stuff, get out. That’s the only routine you can expect. If you find yourself stuck with white mobs, and not killing them, then either the GR is too high for you or your build isn’t fast enough.
I don’t know why you people kept trying to exclude the support class as I have clearly stated that it is necessary to have them in there. Do you guys not have eyes to see and read? Or did you just assume that I’m referring to low level GR games that you yourself may be used to playing?
Well let me clear that up for you. When the stars align, I know that this may be hard for you to believe but pub games can sometimes form a good composition team consisting of trash killer, elite killer/rgk, zmonk and zbarb. It is not meta but it can still climb pretty high.
I’m talking about players with thousands of paragons that does this. Garbo elite hunters that, in those greater rifts is no longer efficient (heck its impossible to some extent) to only hunt elites but instead needs trash to make up for majority of the progression. For whatever reason, only Yahweh knows why they kept doing this even with that amount of paragons. Oh and also you. Yahweh and you.
If the DH or Crusader are running off solo through multiple screens worth of trash mobs looking for elites and not dying due to being out of range of the support monk (for healing) / support barb (for ignore pain) then it’s probably not a push run.
It may not be a push but high enough that progression from elites alone will not cut it. An impale dh and thorns sader can run off into the distance straight towards an elite pack and CAN SURVIVE EASILY without having the need of a support class I can guarantee you that, but can they even kill the elite in time to have good progression? That’s a no.
It means they are most likely using a build that uses In-geom. Which means they have to kill elites every 10 to 8 seconds to have their heavly cdr dependant skill readily available.
Elite hunters, ESPECIALLY DHs and Crusaders, will NOT be able to contribute any significant damage to trash, because their damage is almost entirely geared towards killing elites. They aren’t like Necros, who both remove 15% of a mob’s health and debuffs them at the same time, allowing them to contribute to both trash and elites.
Impale DHs is almost entirely single target, and Invoker IS 100% single target with no AoE capability at all. If they stick with the group, they are actually holding the entire GR back.
There is only two points of consideration for them. 1: Are they dying to elite packs? If yes, they are holding the GR back, and should be kicked as soon as you are out of the GR. If no, proceed to point 2.
Point 2: Is it taking them longer to kill the elites then it takes the rest of the group to gather and kill all the trash in the GR? I.E. Crusader/DH runs 4-5 screens ahead to fight elite pack. Wiz/zDPS gather those 4-5 screens worth of trash and kill them, and Crusader/DH isn’t done with elite pack? If yes, then the Crusader/DH is holding you back, and you should get a Necro instead. If no, then you are actually ahead of the game, and you don’t have to deal with potentially threatening elite packs.
Some builds just play better that way.
Last season was playing nat man build good for clearing
but slow moving compare to other builds.
Some groups i stopped play with they where just too fast
But at no time did i think they should slow down or play my way .
maybe it’s not them you either need to find new group or
speed up