The way trading is being handled in D4 kinda killed it for me. They are doing it the most medieval way they could. You have a trading channel and you’re supposed to keep shouting on it or reading it to find a trade, while real trading will be taken over by some third party site. It’s gonna be a terrible experience for me.
At least we should have a official website to post trades like PoE does. PoE is already a bad experience because half of the time the dude who posted the trade doesn’t answer. But D4 will be way worse with just a text trading channel.
Yeah, I really don’t get what they are trying to do here.
On the one hand they restrict trading (which imo is a dumb move), because they want to discourage people from using 3rd party sides, on the other hand they don’t implement a proper trading system, which will inevitably drive players in the other direction.
They are missing the chance to prevent new players from ever feeling the need to use 3rd party sides to begin with.
If they actually manage to make gold a somewhat stable standard currency, then there is really nothing speaking against having a gold action house in the game.
It would make trading much quicker and less of a hassle, while also protecting players from getting scammed.
For me it depends on what is traded, If it’s just cosmetics i don’t care about that. But if it is gear and powers, Then I’m out. I know, We all know how that will play out.
Currently you can trade white, blue and yellow items, gold, gems and elixirs. There’s no limit on trading those items, you can trade them as many times as you want.
The way gear works right now makes trading yellows really valuable, as you can use them as base items for legendaries (since you can extract a legendary power and put it into any yellow that can have that power).
You can’t trade legendary items or aspects (which is the legendary power after extracted), Unique items or any other currency. Legendary drop rate is common enough for it to be a non issue, because while they aren’t raining from the sky like in D3, legendary powers can go in a number of different slots. So you can drop a chestpiece with a power you wanted in your helmet and you could make it work with the extracting thing. But they already said that unique items will have a very low drop chance which you’ll maybe drop 2 per season. So you’ll never have the unique you want.
I see what you are saying. I’m not thrilled about that. I have always played SSF it’s just my style. But i will not play any game that makes so that trade is necessary, Even when they claim it is not. But i will wait and see what the streamers say after launch.
I actually like that approach. When you’re playing with many others in the same session, it’s actually quick set it up and do a trade. All you need to do is opening chat line and asking people for item trade and being aware of current exchange rates. If that sounds like too much, perhaps trading is not for you.
Sadly, Blizzard might not be able to curb down bot approach or chat spam for third party sites completely but that’s a given.
Trading won’t be mandatory as I see it, so you don’t have to worry I think. According to the corrupted towns systems, nearby areas surrounding those corrupted locations supposed to be well rewarding. Otherwise, it has no point activating a new waypoint to travel faster at the first place. That and many different end game activities tell me that trading won’t be mandatory if you’re not impatient.
It doesn’t really sound like much. It sounds absolutely medieval to me. There’s way better systems out there today but instead we have a trade system analogue to what the game had 20 years ago.
I don’t really like trading as they are done in arpgs, but I can tolerate it when the devs actually try to make it a modern experience that’s suitable to the year we live in.
Yeah… this “middle of the road” thing they are going for certainly isn’t look good. Either they go all in on trading with a proper trading tool, or they scrap it completely.
You are playing a video game, it’s full of unnecessary hurdles and challenges. It may sound like a weak argument, which isn’t; but if you don’t like grinding for something, why do you play an ARPG at the first place? Do that sound weak too?
That kind of trading was how it was done about two decades ago, it’s old-fashioned but it still works. If they were to add some marketplace sure it will be good, but I won’t question if they don’t. Marketplaces are rather open to manipulation from bots; blackmarket prices seeping into the the scene. If they were to have a plan to diminish those occurances, I would ask why they’re not adding marketplace platform too.
Those hurdles usually ARE the game and don’t include going to a 3rd party website to be able to find someone to trade with.
Making trading as quick and accessible as possible allows people to spend more time playing the actual game - which would be a huge and undeniable improvement.
Then simply do not. Looking for people to trade in the session you are in, would be enough. I don’t think this would force player into heading into the third party sites.
While there is no certain answer to how many players will be with you at times, estimated number is, at least bigger than 25 as you can see from raid events. That sounds plenty. I’ve been hearing near a hundred players at the session in which, each session would have chat channels for formed parties.
And lots of friends to add, which you’ll be part of community in one way another. Trading is restricted at the first place for high grade items, and those site residents will only go for the highest bidder else they lose the profit.
They won’t respond to the first bid opener or a low offer, so good luck. Real friends at the other hand, will play alongside plus offer to exchange items they don’t use.
True, but it’s their choice. If game has so many endgame options, and rewarding farming spots, which it should have if it hints so many side quests; I have little to no worry about trading.
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To each of their own I guess. I hope they add a marketplace as well, but I wouldn’t miss it.
I like that. Instead of discarding (either vendor trash or d/e for mats), I can keep an item that I think may benefit someone else.
Hey, Joe!
Sup Man?
I found this yellow item here, can you use?
OMG YES I CAN IT’S AN UPGRADE DUDE THANKS BRO I OWE YOU ONE!
No prob. Happy to help.
Yeah, lets discourage something like that because a few people here and there are qq’ing about this or that. Yeah, good idea. Matter of fact, lets just scrap the game because there are too many cry babies out there.
Sorry guys, no D4 for you.
Next?
Was this confirmed in the dev stream? I didn’t watch it.
If they include trading it should have a decent in-game system that is accessible to everyone.
Developers that do a half-assed trade thing where you allow trade but make it annoying so not as many people want to do it… I think that’s just a pathetic cop out and why I hate PoE. You end up either having to use third-party tools to trade efficiently, or miss out.
Developers always try to justify forcing oldschool trade chat because it adds “socialization,” which is just a bunch of BS. It’s also ant farm syndrome where developers try to herd you into behaving in a way they think is more ideal. It’s manipulative and annoying.
Avoid ant farm syndrome. Don’t play god. Don’t make an ant farm. Social experiment is not the goal of the game. A lot of designers stop playing games when they start making games, because they are playing with the players. That is fun for the designer, not the player.
Yeah, I’m not completely against trading. It’s just that it’s really half-assed right now. It’s quite literaly the same system D2 had 20 years ago, which is bad for a 2023 game imo. They should just make a proper trading tool if it’s gonna be included in the game.
The trading thing? Nope. It was confirmed by the media preview they had. You can check any content creator out there talking about it and he’ll confirm how trading works. Maxroll.gg has a dedicated page for how it works right now.
