Or because of more sophisticated/diverse build choice it has. You’re saying ‘one of the reason’ to avoid actual data. While I’m sure there are players that transition to PoE because there was open trading, that doesn’t mean it was a bigger factor to majority of player that did.
On the contrary, no one did. I didn’t either if you look over my posts from before. I for one asked pro free trade people to show data that they are the majority, and I mean absolute majority compare to the other side. That is the best way in convincing Blizz in its current no-open-trade state of D4. Seriously, read over what you guys wrote. It’s not really convincing at all. We can talk talk talk talk talk til this thread goes over 500 posts (at least that was the max post in previous forum system iirc), but in its current stand, Blizz will go on with their plan. No, not trying to be doom and gloom towarda you, as I said, I’m shouting out to you to up your game in this, if you don’t want to be disappointed when D4 comes out with no open trade.
And yes, I went the ‘it seems no-free-trade crowd are the majority’ after reading what you said. That was 1 post by me. It’s not important either way. It’s you proving that you are the majority that is important.
You do know what are core values of Diablo 1 and 2 and D3(when it was good) ? Well i know and many veterans will tell you that trading is one of them, i guess you started playing Diablo from d3?
I won’t say about D1 and D2, as they didn’t had their system changed. But that D3, when it was good, imploded and had its system changed to what it is now. If that system were ‘good’, it wouldn’t have imploded.
Honestly, the whole “who is the majority” thing is useless in any discussion on these forums. It keeps coming up for trading, offline mode, itemization etc.
None of us know who the majority is. The majority is not always right, and game development is not a democracy.
We are arguing about our opinions here. Me not wanting trading, and believing that trading hurts the gameplay, is not going to change just because it happened to be a minority opinion. Just like your love for trading wouldn’t disappear just because traders were the minority.
Blizzard might obviously care who the majority is. But even then, designing individual game aspects in your game, for what the majority think, is a recipe for disaster. Hence why the occasional suggestions that Blizzard should poll us on different D4 topics are silly.
The different parts of a game fits together, you cant separate them out.
Even if a majority liked trading when considered in a vacuum (which again, I really doubt), they might not necessarily like the various consequences trading had on other aspects of the game. It is up to the developers to figure out how to balance different aspects of a game to reach the people they want to buy it.
I started with D1. I didn’t really give trading any thought at all back then. I played 100% solo.
But even back in the day I thought trading in D2 was bad for the game when playing online.
Dude…you seriously want to play with words here? Cause if you didn’t realize, current plan for D4 is no open trade. You guys need to convince Blizz, not me or others, nor we have to convince you guys. This thread could get 1000 posts, without proper, good argument, you won’t get what you want.
As for your word play. D1 and D2 came out in a different time. It’s irrelevant in that their system didn’t change, or couldn’t change more suitably. D3 however came out in a more recent time. And look how it turned out when it came to open trading, AH, and stuff.
I gave you atleast 3 good arguments in this topic, yeah diffrent time, d3 got diffrent because open trade removal not because of time period.But lets not repeat ourselfs i made my case.
Right. Meant to reply to you too. Sorry for not quoting you but simply replying.
I agree with what you said. Majority doesn’t mean ‘right’. Everything you said holds ground, and I mean everything. But if these people want to convince Blizz, that is the best way for now. Their argument is simply lacking. Practically only way is to show Blizz that there is high demand, better path for financial gain in what they’re asking. Sure, D4 is still long way til release, but it’s them that should be in a hurry, not us.
We dont have to show Blizzard nothing, they know all of this better than us, they have data, question is can they do it or not, and not, do they want to do it or not.
I am still traumatized by the Barbarians wearing Butterfly Wings in D3, so I would rather wish that they would step away from any cosmetic stuff besides transmogs and individualization during character creation.
Also they would still have to tailor the game around intelligent loot and ridiculous drop chances and you just need to take one look on D3 itemization to see how unhealthy that is. It takes all the fun and excitement out of the loot hunt.
You know perfectly well that there is no data on what aRPG players would prefer.
All we can do to convince Blizzard is to give them our PERSONAL opinion about it.
And since they decided to take this discussion into the D3 forum instead of creating a separate one for D4 I think it is especially important to make sure that not only the D3 player base gets their voice heard.
Good for you. But sorry, don’t see you guys convincing Blizz with your current argument in this. I’m not doing all this because I want to crap on you or something. I’m trying to make you come up with a good argument.
Whatever data they have, their current plan is no open trade. You can get your hopes up all you want. Don’t say I didn’t warn you. If you get what you want, I will be happy for you.
We dont have to convince Blizzard they know, they have the data, question is can they implement trading or not, and not, do they want to or not.
I see ur edited post, since i edited my previous, well hope we can meet here again and see who was right, is D4 gonna be good with trading or not we will see, or even better is D4 gonna be good with trading.
Well, there seem to be just as many? people here that don’t want open trade in the game. So in its current state, don’t think you guys are convincing anyone. Base state is no free trade, so people against can stay put, pro people have to make an argument that can trump the other side. If you guys can’t prove you guys are the majority, which I understand, it could be said that just as many people don’t want it. Hence, default state being pushed.
That does not follow from not having trading.
Even without trading, the droprates in D3 are completely insane. You could reduce D3 droprates by 90% and they would probably still be too high (though again, this cant be seen in a vacuum;
part of the problem is how RNG the numbers on items are,
how amazingly bad itemization in D3 is (crit, crit crit!),
how all items are nailed down to a specific build, with no options, so only 1 single item in each slot will ever work for your build.
Which all means each item has to drop more often, to compensate.
But yeah, droprates without trading does have to be higher than with trading (which is once again the reason why you cant have trading and not-trading in the same game/mode. The games have to be drastically different for both options to feel right)
And “smart loot” should not be a thing. Tbh, that also goes against a fundamental in A-RPGs imo.
The experience of playing your barb, finding an amazing sorc item, and starting a new character, just so you can make a build that can try out the new item. Smart loot limits that.
Not to mention, something is really wrong with the itemization when nearly all items can be tied directly to a single class. Plenty of Items should work for builds across classes, and not even a single stat should be class specific (like the horrendous str, dex, int).
Your point couldn’t get to me, because i will always stay true and loyal to a real Diablo game and its core values that made even this hole forum possible.