D4: sub classes, for or against?

[Dusty-21868]

It’s not just looks. It’s the aesthetic and immersion that look provides.

You only have to look at D3 to see this can be a major issue for people.

And it’s also about BALANCE and CLASS IDENTITY.

@Beefhammer-1932

No skills associated with, but the option to do so.

If this is the case, why is it important? A Barb that has zero skills to use with a bow and could never make a build with it or use a single skill apart from basic attack. Why would they NEED to do this?

@StarElven-1630

Exactly so, we are simply saying that if a Barb wants to pick up a bow and fight with it, even if it’s the most ineffective trash imaginable, they should still be able to do it, it’s a matter of choice over forced gameplay style.

But the choice serves no purpose whatsoever it just seems like a waste of dev time to me.

@StarElven-1630

How about this as an example. Provided there were not ridiculous restrictions preventing people from actually coming up with fun ways to enjoy the game. While adventuring my cute and delicate Sorceress happens upon a strange glowing 2H Axe hidden away in the crypt of some unknown warrior. Usually such a weapon would be of no interest to her kind, however this one calls to her and… she answers. Using an arcane gesture which springs to her mind she directs the Axe to fly across the room destroying a stack of barrels and then immediately returning to her side to wait patiently for its next command. Determination and resolve solidify in her gaze as she marches forth from the dark crypt to bring her bloody axe-wielding vengeance down upon all those who mocked her unorthodox ways…

This just seems like a contradiction. For this to exist you would need to add a bunch of telekinesis attacks that affect weapons now making an entire sub class of Sorc which I thought was something you are against?

@StarElven-1630

I much prefer to build the class the way I like to play. I don’t want to be pigeonholed into playing one specific way dictated by a set in stone sub-class.

I instead would want more time gone into making people who play fire Sorc be able to differentiate themselves from each other by having more skills to choose from and different ways of adding things to those skills to change the way they work.