D4, please explain endgame rewards. Are they time gated?

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D4 has copied a lot from Lost Ark. The structure of the game, at least during the leveling, feels almost identical (and that should be easily noticeable to anyone, who’s played that other game).
The slower movement and combat, the large zones, the questing, picking resources, world bosses, mounts.
Not, that those are 100% original to Lost Ark, but it was the game, that brought those in an isometric setting.

When it comes to the endgame though, I believe the games will be different.
Lost Ark’s endgame is mechanics focused dungeons and raids. Very punishing ones, as in one player makes a single mistake, the entire group/raid dies.

I do not believe, that Blizzard will take thous route. They’ll go with a different endgame, one, in which you can succeed, or at least be reasonably successful as a solo player.

My main concern and question is:

Are there time gates when it comes to the rewards?

In Lost Ark something like Chaos Dungeons (activity similar to D3’s speed rifts) dropped nice rewards like twice per day. You could spam them, but you’d get lesser stuff.

When it comes to D4, is there something I can actually farm? You know, Diabo style?
Can I come home from work and farm the same activity/dungeon to my heart’s content, with change for decent rewards every run?
Or will the game play out in the manner of “do my daily quests” for rewards, and once I run out of daily activities, I’d be better of swapping character or logging out.

This is something the devs should have come out and said straight away, so that people know what they are actually buying.

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U can try open beta next week. Go try it then and make a decision.

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It’s a MMO in the sense that it has a persistent game world that is shared with thousands of other players, even if it’s tuned to not see them as often.

Beyond that it’s far less weighted towards group play than, say, World of Warcraft.

From what we’ve seen you will be able to consistently farm dungeons. If that’s the most efficient way of getting gear who knows.

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Then you sir are blind.

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Must be the latest thing her favorite streamer is tossing around now.

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I doubt I’ll have the time to get to the endgame during a weekend.

How so?
From what I’m watching, it plays out very, very similarly. The manner and pace at which you walk around, fight, quest… it’s all Lost Ark.
As to the endgame, I clearly don’t know how it will play out then.

Either you’ve never played Lost Ark yourself in order to be able to see the similarity, or you’re being dishonest.

Huh?

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One of the most negative things about the beta so far imo has been the confirmation that, yes, you really do run into other players all the freaking time in the overworld areas. It is quite bad how high the frequency is. Feels like D:I in that sense.

They really need to add a solo toggle for the overworld. More so than I thought before.

Tbh, it has basically nothing to do with Lost Ark on the other hand.

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Played D4 for 3 hours before being kicked to a 60 min queue. Now I’m level 13. The game is D2 with some MMO elements (probably there for monetization), like open world, gathering flowers, world bosses and others. The actual gameplay is less fluid than D3.
I personally prefer D3 to this. If I were to play another arpg, I’d play Last Epoch, not D4.

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Because it’s an MMO.
I can understand on some level, if you dislike that. I imagine it breaks immersion if it’s the first time you go through the campaign.

You’ve either never touched Lost Ark, or you’re being dishonest. It plays out EXACTLY like Lost Ark when it comes to the pace at which you walk, the combat, the quests and the cut scenes…

I doubt the endgames will be the same, though. I would prefer, that they are not. From what I’ve heard so far, they are not…

My concern is more about potential time gates, like the example I gave in the original post.

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AS 36 lev(years) old pro gamer (achievment : Hater of blizzard corporation)… Trust me when i say this : , It is absolutly GOOD game and this deserves that you buy it, !!!

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I dont care about immersion, but I care about other players killing my monsters. And you pretty much cant walk across a screen or two without another player being nearby.
Worse is, that is at lvl ~10. I can only imagine it gets worse in endgame.

Played a fair bit of Lost Ark in its first months. Enjoyed parts of it even. Ilvl 1450 something. Then it turned into a Raiding Required game and I was out.
Anyway, that game is a full fledged “theme park” MMO. Not seeing anything remotely like that here. So far, of course.

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Mmo poe

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I made 2 Wardancers (on 2 separate servers) and a Bard. I’ve played as far as defeating Argos. I don’t recall the ilvl and I don’t care enough to install the game again to check out how much that was.
I had some fun fghting Argos for 2 minutes alone on the Bard and finishing it, with 7 people watching.

Aside from that, I didn’t like the raiding and the dungeons all that much. I liked the dumbest piece of content called the Chaos Dungeon, which would be the equivalent of a speed rift from D3.
The problem with that piece of content was, that it wasn’t really all that farmable. If you remember, it granted proper rewards only once or twice per day. Aside from that, it was meh.

But that’s not what I’m talking about. I am talking about the pace of moving around, combat, questing and cutscenes. In that regard, the D4 seems almost identical to Lost Ark… that is not necessarily a bad thing.

I hope D4 does not have content, that is not farmable, though (like in the case of Lost Ark and the Chaos Dungeon).

I hope I explained it clear enough this time.

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Yeah, not sure about the ilvl either, but right after Argos was likewise where I stopped.

Hehe, I really, really hated that, and yeah, Speed Rifts indeed.
Tbh, my faovrite part of the game was the world exploration. Combat was mediocre, and the daily event stuff was well, theme park MMO/live service nonsense.

Which described Lost Ark quite well overall. Lots and lots of daily quests, events etc. Awful.
Seen nothing like that in D4 at least.

So far Lost Ark feels a lot faster paced in movement and combat imo.
But I do fear that D4 will speed up over time, like it did in D3.

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If you’re to compare endgame geared character vs mobs outside of town, you two-shot them, which is not what I am talking about.

If you were to spread your points more on less evenly on skills during lvling, you’d get more or less the same kill speed during what I’ve seen on streams in D4.

That’s not how I lvled in Lost Ark though. At the phase, where I didn’t have too many skill points, I just dumped all into one skill (the spinning kick on the monk… sorry, Wardancer), I would run around on mount and gather monsters, then wipe them with a single skill. In that regard, yes, Lost Ark was kinda, sorta faster.

But the overall pace of moving, questing and the crazy amount of cut scenes… seems the same… also zone sizes and things like that. D4 devs have definitely went for a similar structure of the base game.

Someone I know told me (though not all that close acquaintance, so I can’t verify), that they’ve played the closed beta for like 300 hours or so, and that the dungeons are farmable. That’s nice, if it’s true.

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The world seems to be shared overall. In that sense, it’s mmo-like. Instead of traditional difficulty, you also choose between world tiers, (the starting options being adventurer and veteran) which seem similar to D3 diffs (increasing difficulty, exp and drops), but seem to apply to the shared world as a whole instead of only to a game session.

Other than that… I can’t tell you much yet because the game keeps getting errors and I keep getting kicked out of it : D

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Uhhh all of it is???

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I play Lost Ark. I’ve the D4 beta and palyed a bit thus afternoon and it plays and feels more like every other ARPG. LA is full fledged MMO sith all the players around, spawn camping, and other MMO trappings.

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This game is not for me so boring. I like d1 d2 and d3 but this d4 not.

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Seems like a ARPG with MMO aspects like world bosses. I think Lost Ark may be a good idea on how the open world works.