Cheaters on the Leaderboards

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1880

I mean, the BEST way to ensure NOBODY can cheat, is to force kernel-level anti-cheats to be activated in real time for the entire duration your computer is turned on (or console, I suppose) while also submitting to random live checks from blizzard to ensure compliance, while everything is ENTIRELY server side and you have NO “non-OS-essential” programs at ALL running while Bnet’s running, AND a COMPLETE zero tolerance policy where if you get caught violating ANYTHING - even if it’s just a web browser window, or your RGB lighting software running- you are PERMANENTLY banned, REAL-LIFE credential wise (like they LITERALLY ban you based on your social security number or whatnot), FOREVER, from ALL Blizzard products, which will be enforced at INTER-GOVERNMENT LEVEL (meaning, even if you relocate out of your country, the ban FOLLOWS YOU).

THAT will permanently stop ALL cheats, period. 100%.

Failing that, though, we should probably recognize that while our goals are mutual, our methods vary. Some of us are rather more concerned with our privacy and autonomy than we are maintaining integrity of a leaderboard. So we may not be down for the full-on, 1984-esque solution (even if it WOULD be guaranteed to work).

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1881

Oh knock it off, anyone with remote intelligence already knows.

Probably referring to that they don’t do it to all of them. Some still somehow squeak by.

Yes it would but I’ve been told that the difficulty in that can be high for games that even seem like it would be easy.

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1882

Unfortunately, modern cheats don’t run on the computer or console anymore. Kernel level anti-cheats do nothing. That’s why modern anti-cheats are heuristic driven. And they’re not perfect (far from it), but anti-cheats have to adapt to the times.

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1883

Before responding properly to your post, Blibli should have access to the softwares that is running at the time you are playing?

1884

Still funny coming from a console player. No way to view your profile.

Before you get upset for nothing, my profile is available on EU, US and Asia region. And no I don’t have any alts (What is useless in SSF).

It will save you time :slightly_smiling_face:

1885

Some still do. It’s more common than you think. People are getting more clever with cheats. A FPS game I played, people said it was impossible to have a client side aim bot and two people made it happen.

1886

Which is why we also have to have literally everything else I mentioned in there as well - the government spying, the forced livestreaming, random checks by blizzard, etc.

There IS a way to COMPLETELY shut down ALL CHEATING, PERIOD. It’s just not even remotely realistic, is the problem.

Therefore, ANYTHING we propose that falls short of that, will ALWAYS have loopholes and problems and “not be 100% effective.”

Condoms aren’t 100% effective at preventing pregnancy. You know what IS? Surgically removing the womb. THAT will prevent pregnancy 100% of the time, guaranteed. But, it’s not even remotely realistic or even desirable to do that.

So we use condoms. Even though they’re not perfect.

Same with conventional anti-cheats. You say they “do nothing” but that’s not entirely true. They DID force cheaters to start getting creative.

Same with locking your car, or your front door to your home. Windows are mostly glass, but the fact that they COULD break the glass, doesn’t mean everyone WILL, or even be EQUIPPED to. So, you still need to lock your doors.

Make sense?

Oh God no. Do yourself a favor, look this up:

Basically what I’m “proposing” would “technically” work, but would be so stupidly awful to actually do, that it’s basically mockery, or satire. But, we can obviously do way more than we’re doing right now, is my point.

1887

Please God, please / God?.. No God…
I love this line from a movie I love.
(You should find the reference on Wikipedia)

I just ask a question who had no animosity towards you, just an innocent question.

But thank you for your answer, it supports my words.

1888

I wasn’t offended, however I did miss this part:

If there’s a bit of a language barrier, then perhaps I might be coming off as harsher than I intended. So allow me to apologize.

Basically, what I’m saying is, there’s never going to be any single anti-cheat, that is 100%. There’s always going to be SOMETHING that slips through, or gets around it. Even if nothing exists right now, that thing will at some point get invented. It’s an arms race, you know? Cops have guns so crooks get bigger guns. Cops get armor so crooks get incendiary rounds. You know what I mean?

My post up there was just poking fun at how if we were to try and be “bullet proof” in that sense, then we’d wind up eventually in a state of living that isn’t worth living. I definitely don’t want blizz spying on me :face_vomiting:

At the same time though, do you agree that my car/house safety thing makes sense? If someone REALLY wanted to, they could get a crane or some TNT and just blow the place up. Or smash your window. Etc. But, you still want to lock your doors in spite of that, because why make it easy for them?

“Reasonable Deterrence” is what security - both online and IRL - is based on. The idea is that you CAN’T be 100% secure, so you aim for a base level that “most people” would reasonably look at it and go “nah, not worth it.”

I’m just saying, some people think “why bother reporting? It does nothing” or “why bother with low level anti cheats? They do nothing” and to that I say:

NO.

They’re ALWAYS going to be better than literally nothing. (Although I could be wrong - maybe someone wants to show me their unlocked car door? :wink: )

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1889

I will answer tomorrow, I live in EU, it is time for me to sleep and I think my answer requires more temperance and rest than just “yes” or “no” :slightly_smiling_face:

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1890

There was someone who was caught fake blocking and edited a post of theirs that was 6 months old when quoted by a supposed blocked account. Even an MVP provided a screenshot showing the edit. That person then lied about editing their post when everyone could see the exact time of the edit.

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1891

Was that our old buddy R2F?
It’s getting hard to remember all of the bizarre threads.
I also seem to remember someone who edited other people’s posts and included them as quotes. I think @Meteorblade was the victim in that one.
Perhaps we are talking about the same incident.

1892

No. It was someone who has played D3 on PC as well as console and have said as much on at least 3 occasions that I know about.

1893

Ok, thanks, Table-Guy. :rofl:
I can’t place that one.
It’s tough being mocked and falsely accused on the Forum.
I think I was once accused of being your Alt.

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1894

We have someone on this forum who seemingly accuses everyone of being an alt. I play/live in US and he kept accusing me of being a couple different EU players.

P.S. That someone is the same that I mentioned who plays both on PC & consoles. He claimed he was console only which ironically means he could not post on this forum so we knew he was lying about not having a D3 PC account.

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1895

A dead game without any updates, who cares if anyone cheaters in this game

1896

Certainly not you, right?

I mean, surely hanging around here is far beneath you and your impeccable standards. Right? I’m guessing we’ll never hear from you again, no matter who says what about whom or what, in your absence? You’ve got better things to do, and all.

Right?

:smirk:

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1897

There is no “they”. Everything is automated on the forums. You have to open a support ticket before “they” aka an actual human will look at anything. My guess is this swap occurred when the game transitioned to maintenance mode.

Yup, seen it too many times to count, and even from other regions too, its sad.

10000000% yes! Why they don’t use this is mind boggling.

Yes but 3rd party software running overlays would get picked up, already ng with botting software which are the main 2 methods cheaters admit to using.

One would ask why? Why go through that level of effort to try and troll that hard lol.

Anyone that plays and pushes the boards…
Then there is the morality issue too.

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1898

No, it doesn’t. I’m not going to go into this as it would be violating the ToS on the forums. But the overlays and the bots still exist but are not run on the computer.

Any anti-cheat trying to capture the screen though only captures the screen before the cheat. And it’s the same if you tried to watch a Twitch Stream or YouTube stream. You’re not going to see anything.

The only real way to tell would be by watching a live camera of the player, focused on the monitor.

1899

It would be fine to explain some aspects but not how to go about doing it. At this point, most of us are on the same page and have no intent on reporting you.

Don’t leave it past people to hack how you think they won’t or can’t. Not long ago, people thought botting in this game was gone. Some even said you can NOT bot in it anymore, and here we are.