Bring back Jay Wilson & delay D4 for a couple years

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That’s the only thing that can save it.

What has happened to Blizzard? How do they keep failing like this and think it’s ok? Now I understand why so many rats keep leaving this sinking ship.

We’ve all said plenty about Jay Wilson in the past, but he was responsible for D3’s replayability factor, he set the stage for it.

He gave us 5 great classes and provided years of replay value. Each class was a vast improvement over its ancient predecessor, and more importantly they felt new because in many ways they were. When you got bored of one class you could easily jump into another and experience something you hadn’t experienced before.

Jay’s successors built more upon that with the Crusader and the Necromancer (kinda), and D3 itemization woes aside, there is no denying that.

Now look what they’ve given us in D4. They went down the laziest of the lazy roads: they copy/pasted the same boring classes from a 23 year old fossil of a game. They didn’t even TRY to pretend like this is something different or new.

As if we haven’t already played those boring classes to death in D2 and then have them brought back in D2R, they gotta shove them down our throat in what’s supposed to be a BRAND NEW game, one that we have been waiting for a decade for.

If they had even remixed the skills a little bit, that could’ve given us something sort-of-new to play class-wise, like what MedianXL had done for D2 back in the day. But they think attaching feeble little “enhanced” branches will make any real difference. You’d think they would’ve learned something from the plethora of failures of the Immortal team, who did the exact same thing: copy/paste all the D3 classes into it instead of making a teensy weensy effort to be innovative.

Well, what that managed to accomplish is make me get a FULL refund, for starters. I didn’t pay 140 bucks to play the same boring crappy classes from a 23 year old fossil. I paid to play something NEW, but that’s clearly too much to expect from a Blizzard game these days. And I’m not about to wait several years for them to just copy/paste more boring crappy classes from D2 and say “here’s your overpriced new class DLC”.

And it also killed any long-term replayability D4 would’ve had if its game director wasn’t so lazy. And all that time spent designing this oh-so-wonderful game world = WASTED.

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D4 isnt even out yet. Wait until its released before u judge it.

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You need a functioning brain to judge what we’ve already seen…don’t worry about it.

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I like jay as much as the next guy - i used to run planet Blood (lol) but all the stuff that makes D3 great came waaaay after he left.

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Wait… what made D3 great, I must have missed it…

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U need a functioning brain to understand that u shouldnt judge things too quickly. Its a beta which only shows a rly small part of the game. U could also judge a book by its cover. However that doesnt mean that u should

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Spot on. Even though many fantastic systems of D3 like Greater Rifts and Adventure mode came after he left, he gave amazing set of 5 initial classes with creative and diverse skills.
He also made we can respec build at will which is incredible even though many D2 loyalists don’t like it.

But his social interaction skill with community was very bad resulting in him being branded egoistic.

It’s a shame that D4 team played to the vocal D2 loyalists who regularly cries their lungs out for anything other than D2 by bringing 4 out of 5 classes from D2. D4 Gameplay is obviously D3. MMO aspects is similar to D Immortal.

With D4, blizzard is trying to please D2, D3 and DI players at once. It’s tough. Beta doesn’t give complete picture. Let’s see what happens in June after the release.

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There’s really no need to do that if one played the beta. Some things might/will change, sure, but the core of the game won’t.

It’s not though. D3 at release, maybe, but that game wasn’t very good.

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@OP

You sound like a troll who tries hard to enrage D2:LoD/D2:R fans.

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Dunno, the reason I won’t buy D4 is because it plays to much like D2 for my liking. Not saying you can’t like it, but to me it’s just not nearly as fun as D3.

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The BEST thing about D4 is that it’s much more like D2, than it is like D3.

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But he’s the same who destroyed it, when he nerfed inferno, and just as players were fixing to catch-up (though via the AH almost exclusively). The whole curve sucked from the start anyway, Nightmare & Hell should have been true grit. Anyone who thinks “nightmare” should be a misnomer in Diablo, just, no. Seriously, let the kids have their way with Normal, it’s not like the whole game’s content isn’t featured there… But I understand if they tended to playtest the game in isolated sections, and not so much entire playthroughs from start to finish, to notice the median character power when entering Nightmare. Or they’re entirely dismissive of kids + games, or maybe they sucked themselves and thought it was perfectly challenging, fine.

I sentence Jay to more wow detail. Let’s go the money machine won’t maintain itself, and the fans praise Legion to this day. Oh, I suppose there’s a statute of limitations for D3, fine.

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To each their own, D2 was a great game 2+ decades ago, although personally the systems from D2 feels highly antiquated today.

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Activision.

They’re pushed to make profit at an unreasonable pace. So instead of spending time curating something new, unique and fun, there’s a lot more Ctrl-C Ctrl-V.

Which gets justified when whales throw their wallets at anything they :poop: out.

I mean sure… There might be different things to do at end-game.

But unlike other games D4 gives access to most skills during the very early portion of the game. Thus you can see the baseline gameplay for each of the classes.

Perhaps there’s some Legendary powers that drop at high level that change the way they play, but that shouldn’t be a requirement for having an interesting skillset. Just like how D3’s classes are actually fun to play while leveling up before you get kitted out in Legendaries (Arguably, even more fun than end-game due to itemization forcing you into specific skills)

Personally, I think Greater Rifts are the single most boring piece of content in any ARPG ever.

Which, when adding in the horrendous balance that makes them the most efficient source of loot and exp compounds how terrible I think this content is.

Further to that, is the effect they had on itemization… With the singular good aspect about them, their “Endlessly scaling difficulty” being rendered moot by having powercreep advance with average GR floors being run so that we have this garbage where items have to give 10,000% damage modifiers as they’re made around beating the hardest possible GR floor…

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Jay wilson was the worse thing that happened to D3 , he was the reason there are teddy bears and unicorns in this game. Josh mosquera (sp.) is the reason D3 improved. I happen to love D4 . if you played it at all you would know that the characters they picked were the iconic diablo classes that were the most loved. Nothing i have seen so far has been lazy, your actual customized character is placed in the cut scenes,The small part of the skill tree we have seen is a vast improvement over D2 and D3 . I’m sure you will hate the game no matter what so don’t play , but the endless complaining and speculation over a small part of the game is getting old.Pretty hard to make such harsh critisisms without realizing 23 years of fossil classes are alot of what people want … with the addition of something all it’s own.That is the game I played over the past two weekends , I don’t know what you played.

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You do realize Jay Wilson was in charge of the dumpster fire that was diablo3 when it launched… Granted I havent read much about him after the fact though I doubt he would ever be allowed to talk about the business side of things. When he revealed diablo3 he said lots of good things and NONE of them made it into the game in fact they ruined everything. So I dont know if it was pressure from hire up in the company to make the game a specific way but as the head of project its fair to place the blame on him.

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WUT???

He gave us terrible Saturday morning cartoon campaign, then forced us to replay it over and over and over and over and over again. When they blew him out, we finally got adventure mode.

He gave us legendaries with no flavor, simple stat sticks. When they blew him out, we finally got unique legendaries.

He gave us the RMAH, then designed a loot drop centered around funneling us to it. When they blew him out, we finally got a much improved item hunt.

He gave us time sinks for the sake of time sinks. Having to identify each legendary and rare 1 at a time. Upgrading gems 1 at a FRICKIN time. After they blew him out, these things got fixed.

He gave us a tiny, tiny stash, forcing us to sell anything that wasn’t immediately essential. When we tried another build, it was off to the AH to get the gear, since finding it was nearly impossible. After they blew him out, we finally got some stash space.

He strung players along for almost a year telling them PVP was on the way. When he realized he was too busy trying to fix all the other broken things in the game, he dropped the stripped down turd also known as brawling on us and wiped his hands of it. After they blew him out, the new Dev’s realized he had already screwed the pooch and chased off the entire PVP crowd, so they left it for dead, so they could focus on fixing all his other messes.

As for your obsession with the five classes he created, they all have the same design: one button for generator, one button for spender, one button for mobility, one button for damage mitigation, and two buttons for damage buffs. His originality was take the barb and make him a barb, take the assassin and amazon and make a demon hunter, take the necro and make him a witch doctor, take the sorc and make her a wiz. Monk, OK, he came with a one unique, new build.

The fact he is not lead design on any game since D3 is a positive for the universe. It took Josh and the ones who followed 10 years to fix all his mess and get the game in a state where it should have been at release. The only thing he got right was smooth, fluid combat.

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It’s releasing in far better shape than D3 did. Jay Wilson was FAR worse when it came to itemization, skill systems and end game. Get out of here with that nonsense.

Jay wasn’t even the one to fix D3.

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Why does everything have to be done your way or not at all
We know you hate Diablo no need to post a new thread every half hour
Things that bad that all you have is to come here and whine incessantly, and there is absolutely nothing to do in your life except come here and complain about everything

We all know you love the game otherwise you wouldn’t spend all your time here, or at least I know if I didn’t like it as much as you don’t like it I wouldn’t be here every day carrying on about it, I would of already left and found something else to do

But to deliberately come here to upset yourself that makes no sense

don’t you need a functioning brain to tell you NOT to go and do something you don’t like doing instead of beating your head against the wall and expecting a different outcome to the headache and split open head

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Anyone who praises Jay Wilson smokes some top quality crack and destroyed any and all brain cells they’ve ever had. That man should never touch a game in his life. He shouldn’t even be in a game studio as a janitor. Josh w/e his last name was is a totally different story. He was the reason D3 went from a dumpster fire to an actual decent game. Bless that man, and I’m sad he didn’t get the chance at a 2nd expansion.

As far as why D4 uses all D2 classes (not completely accurate since Rogue was D1, but ya close enough I get it). Anyone who actually played D3 from the start remembers the forum criers who wanted the Necro instead of the WD, who wanted the Paladins and to a lesser extent the assassin or amazon instead of the DH. So while I think D4 is garbage (feel free to check my posts history I don’t hide this view) I don’t blame the devs for just putting in what most people were asking for before, rather than repeating the mistakes of D3, and getting a bunch of whiners who didn’t get their old class back to play. Damned if you do, damned if you don’t here.

And again keep Jay W. as far away from any and all games possible. I don’t even trust that man with Pong as he’d find a way to screw that up too. Probably add a RMAH to pong and be like aren’t I great?!!! F Jay Wilson.

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