And still. You could spend 1 dollar to get this. Wow. That must suck to spend 1 dollar on a free game if you need that power/want to be more powerful for group content.
I guess it is better to pay 20 bucks for the game than spend 1 dollar.
Still not needed to pay for this to play nor having the content you want.
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Yes, that is a lot better.
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No, the price for one Dawning Echo is 1000 Eternal Orbs which would be 16 dollars. And that aside price is irrelevant, any amount spent that’s required to achieve that power would make it P2W.
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It sure is. You can play it all for the free model. Or you can spend less than buying an entire game, and get more powerful if you want to play further in the end game content.
People would not bat an eye to spend 20+ dollars for the game. But oh no, it’s free and now they lock something you don’t really need behind money and you would need to spend less to get it… Shame.
And that differs from buying an entire game, how exactly?
Where do you think they should get the money from? Letting all purchase it and we all share the price for making the game? Or having free content for most, and those whom want more, can spend money, just like they would have, if they needed to buy a game.
So what do you suggest then? Commercials in game? A game you need to purchase? Or basically the same, just pay for some orbs, IF you want to ?
It all ends up in the same value.
If they locked content through money, it would be a different aspect. But they didn’t.
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Because everyone has an even playing field in that case. Anyone that plays have the same chances to obtain anything in said game. In a P2W game the person with the thickest wallet has the most power.
So do I really need to explain how those two things are fundamentally different?
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A said, paying $20 for the game is obviously a lot better. Paying for the thing that allows you to upgrade gems or whatever is P2W nonsense.
Just dont make the game “free to play”. It ought to be simple.
This. Always this.
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No. Cause I know what you are talking about. But I don’t go about it being condescending like you are.
You want everyone to pay for the game. And I like the idea of having a free game to play better, where you CAN buy certain power to be more viable in end game.
You can spend 20 bucks on a game and get all for free. Or some could spend the same amount and get something in the game. It is really the same deal. If you were locked behind content and/or the price was 100+ dollars, I could see the deal. But you really nitpick at the same amount of money, it’s just the way they make you pay and what you get, you are moaning about.
If you pay 20 dollars from the beginning OR you pay them if you like the game enough to see what those powers do, it is the very same deal.
You just want to force more people to buy something they could have gotten for free.
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I just love the new kids jumping on the forum with demands.
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If you actually think so we surely have nothing to discuss. Can’t teach a rock tricks.
You do realize Dawning Echo is a consumable? You need one for every piece of gear. Price can quickly exceed a 100 dollars.
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Nobody is forced to buy a game. But if you want to play it, it is fair that you have to pay.
It truly isn’t…
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Can’t really teach a condescending being like yourself the thing either.
Pay 20 dollars now or pay them later IF you want more from the game you like… Ends up in the same price, you just throw a fit at how you are represented the payment deal with…
Be careful living in that glass house of yours, might shader.
You do realise the cost of Diablo 3 when it came out and the expansion pack with the crusader, right?
You were forced if you wanted to play Diablo 3. Call of duty series as well as MANY other games.
Pay 20 dollars at the beginning to get the game and play OR pay 20 dollars later, if you want to have more power… I don’t see how math is so confusing.
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Sure, but you can just choose not to play them.
You are more than welcome to complain about the games being too expensive of course. I dont agree, imo it would be fine if they increased the price per game, if it was needed (not that I think it is needed).
Yeah, I dont get it either, you are literally describing how they are completely different in that sentence.
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If you reached the spending cap at 20 buck, sure, but with P2W there’s no cap. Someone that shovels down 2 grand will have an incredible advantage over someone that spends the 20 you mentioned.
And yes, I’m condescending.
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Yeah, I can accept games that are free to try, and then ask you to pay $20 at some point to unlock the full game. That is still pay to play, just with a demo. Plenty of games have done that. Even D3 got a trial version afaik.
So in a sense
is not entirely true.
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Yeah. But clearly facts are pointless in this thread, so I’m gonna go work on my dinner.
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And you can choose to spend money, to get more viable end game. HOWEVER, most will not even get there and just want to play the game for the storyline and the feeling.
20 dollars is 20 dollars. You just don’t like how it is represented and therefore dislike the idea. It don’t matter if you pay for a game from start or later on if you feel like it.
Yes you are. The original Diablo 3 cost 60 dollars. The expansion on top of that.
Are you locked in game for any kind of content, that you would need to spend money? Any kind? No? Oh okay. And by your statement, I end our discussion here, cause quite frankly, I care not for people being childish in a debate.
Well it is. You needed to pay the full price to play.
Clearly. P2w fails if you lock any content for money. Those upgrades are not needed to play the full game neither some group content either.
It matters in the end game content and only for those whom wish to play further than the storyline.
Pay the same, just a matter of how you do it. That is what you complain about. “But but I don’t want to spend the same amount this way! I want the old way and let others pay as well!”… I’m glad it is free for my sake.
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Are they “needed”? No, but they are content so way to refute you own argument.
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Ah… So they are NOT needed. But you moan about it anyway.
“Hey good sir, buy this newspaper today for 100 dollars. Sure!”.
“Hey good sir, get our subscribtion for this newspaper for 20 dollars 5 times a year. HELL no! Scammer!”.
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It’s a game, nothing is “needed”, the whole thing is an indulgence. Doesn’t change the fact that money gives you advantages, the more you spend the more you gain. That’s P2W. That was and is my only argument which you repeatedly have tried to deny.
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And how exactly does this gain benefit you other than from end game content? Nothing really, other than being stronger up until that point and kill stuff faster.
Company makes game. Needs money to run it and make it. Hey, spend 100 dollars now… Sure, no complains… Hey we made it free for most and some COULD spend some money on it… And there you are. Complaining about nothing. And this is closed from my end, I don’t really discuss things with condenscending people.