Blog post thoughts

Here are some examples from leaderboards for everyone:

WD rank 345 from EU poplopsipo#2711 cleared 115 @1276 Paragons in 14:52.

He spent almost all time he had it is close to 15 mins. But he is missing paragons: 120 @ 5K paragons?
Maybe he will have better items when he gets to 5K Paragons? Maybe he will augment gear? But maybe not?

DH rank 148 from US RollTide808#1913 cleared 119 @7876 Paragons in 9:42

He did it pretty fast so +2 GR based on clear speed but he is well over 5K paragons so -1GR for that: 120@ 5K paragons?

how do you even scale this?

I think that your reality check for players that are actually ~5K paragon is critical.

If you look at the top 200 WD era 12 clears, this should be incredibly biased data that inflates numbers since this is not average level of play but “represents the highest level of play” on steroids. Specifically, you are only considering the top 200 solo clears of 4,000 on the four WD leaderboards.

I get 128.0 GR clear on average for WD players at 4.5K-5.5K among the top 200 worldwide. This include several clears made after early December, presumably inflating the numbers even further relative to earlier.

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How do you even explain that scaling results showed that Crusader is on average slower with Season buff than without it???

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Unfortunately you (Blizzard) have errors in your math. MicroRNA has shown far more realistic numbers. You haven’t removed the insane amount of botters before taking the numbers. Your 5k paragon average calculation is a laugh.
The whole calculation is worth less the paper it was written on…
Sorry but this is the truth. It’s a slap in the face for every legit player.

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Probably because it takes more individual skill not riding on the back of the skills of others and gives a much better benchmark of an individual’s true skills.

EDIT: If you are saying anyone that perpetually and only plays in a group of four an entire season should get at least 3,000 paragons, I’d agree. Try playing it solo the entire season without anyone helping you. It is far more challenging and personally rewarding. See how easy it is not to get 3,000 if you do not play it all day.

Holy cow. I did not notice that. Wizard potential in season and non-season are identical, too.

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How would that be possible when he doesn’t have access to all the data they use?

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Do you think that seasonal theme would reduce the GR potential of a 5K paragon player?

You don’t have all the data!

Instead of carrying on like a smacked 8 year old, use your powers for the good of the weaker classes.

With great data, comes great responsibility.

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They do. Blizzard’s data analysis on crusaders showed that their average at 5K paragon is 136 and 138 in season and non-season, respectively. How do you reconcile that the seasonal buff reduced crusader’s ability to clear GRs?

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You don’t have all the data.

Instead of continuing your plain as day agenda against Barbarians, which you’ve now been told hasn’t worked, how about you help the weaker classes?

Or are you that much of a hypocrite?

With great data, comes great responsibility.

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I’m not talking about my data. See Blizzard’s blog post. It is their data.

Crusaders @ 5K ~ GR 136 in seasons
Crusaders @ 5k ~ GR 138 in non-seasons

Please explain how their data makes sense given the pandemonium buff?

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My unanswered question still stands and I understand why Pe3eWe3e pointed this out.

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Blizz has already answered your agenda.

Help the weaker classes, you might even earn some respect and credibility around here.

Help the weaker classes and I’d even stand with you in that cause.

Right now, your ego is overwriting any sense, common or otherwise.

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Credibility comes from seeking and speaking the truth even if it is unpopular.

You don’t have all the data they use, and you never will have.

Blizz has answered, in a manner that is loud and clear to everyone but you.

Instead of continuing your wasted crusade against Barbs, use your platform to help the weaker classes. Get out of the way of your own ego for a change.

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I think that we are miscommunicating.

Blizzard has all the data. Blizzard used all the data to reach and report the following conclusion.

It seems strange to me.

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My guess would be since it was taken so early in the season, the paragon adjustment was done from much much lower paragon and on top of that how many people are really pushing a week into the season (I believe patch dropped a week before the season, but even if not, still at 2 weeks not many pushing).

It’s likely their model for scaling doesn’t work as well when you are looking at very low paragon. The opposite is likely true as well, and that their scaling down from the very highest paragon could skew the data as well.

You would have a pretty decent bell curve of paragon in non seasons, but in seasonal data the paragon would be pretty tight that early on in comparison.

Just my thoughts, someone better at math and statistics could maybe further enlighten…

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I agree that there likely are issues with the scaling or they took the data from different time points.