Barbarians Unite Pls. Nice People spotted :)

[MicroRNA-1507]

First, you should make your post in general discussion so that more can see your analysis rather than the barb forum. It would be interesting to me to have feedback from more people. I suspect that you will not because additional peer review would be illuminating.

@Prokahn-1764

Here is a table of the averages

Class	Mean Grift	Average Paragon
Barbarian	110	2574
Wizard	124	3901
Necromancer	108	3513
Monk	109	2932
Demon Hunter	120	4083
Crusader	114	3437
Witch Doctor	113	2896
7000 Players	114	3319

When you made your greater rift efficiency calculation, you explained why this type of analysis is invalid because you do not know the number of players playing each class competitively.

Lets look at this using rank order.

Class	Relative Grift Rank	Relative Paragon Rank
Barbarian	5	7
Wizard	1	2
Necromancer	7	3
Monk	6	5
Demon Hunter	2	1
Crusader	3	4
Witch Doctor	4	6

One of the obvious things is that the average paragon appears correlated with mean grift. This would be expected if there was a bias in the number of people pushing each class on the leaderboard. As several people have told you, people gravitate to playing the strongest classes and away from the weakest.

Your data strongly suggest a player bias in what classes they prefer to play/push the leaderboard.

@Prokahn-1764

As you know, barbarian players are the only cool guys in these forums so they like to play more than 1 build.

Really the only cool guys"? If barbs are using poorly performing sets as you claim, are you surprised that barbs overall are not clearing higher rifts as well as other classes? A corollary to this is that many barbs do not play builds with gimmicky mechanics and therefore your whole argument about this completely schewing greater rift efficiency can not be true.

@Prokahn-1764

To be precise we have many stickied main builds as you might observe on the main page of barbs. So just WW is not going to shift the whole power curve.

This is proof of your argument. Most players do not come to the forum at all.

@Prokahn-1764

Even though WW barb is OP, which is not, it is not going to elevate the whole barbarian curve to wizard levels.

Is ww/rend OP or not? Wizard are being nerfed.

@Prokahn-1764

So you don’t have to worry for losing your top DPS spot, so calm your horses.

Many have asked for class balance. I have counted. There are more than 50 players who have asked for the barb buff to be less strong in either PTR feedback/GD. These are players who main all classes including barbarians.

@Prokahn-1764

Note these are average buff and nerf values. Some passive agressive classes have weird builds that magically clears very high (140s) and at the same time with a very wide normal distribution curve. This is the manifestation of a poorly designed class with their over powered long cooldown skills that has less reliability compared to the in your face kind of attacks. So higher risk with higher returns kind of a slot machine to be precise ( I mean Necromancer). So for the sake of holy balance their top builds must be nerfed to oblivions’ side walls or their mechanics need to be fixed properly to address that weird distribution.

This sounds like you are advocating for a nerf to necromancer’s top build in era 11. This is already happening with the nerf in patch 2.6.7 to necromancers. The build in question has nothing to do with long cooldowns. If you knew other classes better, than you would know that this relates to thorn mechanics.

@Prokahn-1764

Now lets be the torchlight of balance and bring justice and equality to this land and Let’s balance the classes according to the red line where all the common peasants exist:

You are referring to players as “common peasants”. This is inflammatory.