If it could do 146, i really really doubt yhe second highest clear would be 138
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How many of the top 40 era barbs combined in the America/EU/Asia region recorded a top 40 PTR clear? Excluding darkpatator, can you name 4 others? If very few of the top barbs test it, the top PTR clear will be low. The #3 barb in the America region was telling others on the forum not to push, because it would lead to a nerf.
Even with most of the “big names” not testing/pushing, there were 3X as many ptr non-season barbs who cleared 126 than ANY other class in the current non-season era in the America region excluding wizards that are being nerfed.
There are 4X the number of PTR barbs who cleared a 126 versus necromancers in the current live non-season era. Necromancers are also being nerfed.
Anyone that says “spin to win”. Doesn’t play ww. You can’t spin through wallers, jailers. If you get froze you’re stuck too. It’s not the easiewst to control either, Not to mention, it’s probably the squishiest barb spec. Don’t get hit while spinning to win. Almost forgot. Try dodging arcane beams while spinning. It takes some practice before you can pull that off.
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Well guess what not everyone is just as good as you are and the smartest D3 RoS player in the world that is always right and everyone who does not agree with you is always wrong…
Yeah I remember I said GR100 isn’t easy, because I used my own Multishot build not the most efficient one, cause I wanted to try something different, but you forgot about that. I switched to the most efficient after hitting a GR barrier though…
Some players might clear a 110-115 GR with 1000-1200 paragon and 90-100 augments + 90-100 level legendary gems some can’t clear a 108 GR with even better gear. That doeesn’t mean that they know nothing about the game.
Just because you can do it doesn’t mean EVERYONE ELSE can too. Everyone is different and you can’t judge everyone based on your calculations or your highiest GR clear or others who made it to the leaderboards… Some are better at the game some worse, but that doesn’t give you the right to treat them like noobs who doesn’t know anything about the game because they don’t spent ttime on doing math calculations or running just the most efficient builds in game.
It’s a game and everyone can play whatever build they like. Anyone may play with builds from leaderboards only or they can play with T16 builds only or experiment with different kind of builds maybe not even good enough for T16 yet fun for them…
Games are about having FUN not just boosting your self esteem by showing off others how great and smart you are and anyone with a different opinion knows nothing about the game and must be wrong, because you say so…
If you’re so smart than you would know by know that if it wasn’t for the constant “powercreep” everyone would happy to clear a GR 50 while all the elite players would be doing max 70-80 GR or calculate yourself what numbers…
Unlike you I prefer to play the game with whatever build I enjoy the most rather than spend time doing calculations in D3planner…
I have nothing about any players who use D3planner and even if I did some calculations too I wouldn’t insult anyone who doesn’t do it too or say he knows nothing about the game.
For someone who loves doing calculations so much you didn’t show any at all in your posts, just post random numbers like I do and even if you post any that doesn’t mean that those who aren’t into playing with D3planner like you do must be considered clueless without any knowledge of the game at all…
Do me a favour and stop trolling me, because it’s all you do since the Squirt’s thread.
You have your arguments I have mine, so stop lecturing me like you know everything best!
If you’re so smart than you would know by know that if it wasn’t for the constant “powercreep” everyone would happy to clear a GR 50 while all the elite players would be doing max 70-80 GR or calculate yourself what numbers…
And how that improved the game ?, all this masive powercreep only pushed the game to be super close to the GR cap which is a big problem because if they increase the GR cap we will end with number overflow problem.
Unlike you I prefer to play the game with whatever build I enjoy the most rather than spend time doing calculations in D3planner…
Spend under 5 min into do some basic math takes way to much time lmao.
I have nothing about any players who use D3planner and even if I did some calculations too I wouldn’t insult anyone who doesn’t do it too or say he knows nothing about the game.
I still don’t see how i have insulted someone, i just posted some maths lmao, stop creating drama.
For someone who loves doing calculations so much you didn’t show any at all in your posts, just post random numbers like I do and even if you post any that doesn’t mean that those who aren’t into playing with D3planner like you do must be considered clueless without any knowledge of the game at all…
I posted that the difference between 7k paragon and 10k paragon it’s about 24% damage difference, which you can do the math by yourself to see if i’m wrong and post it.
Do me a favour and stop trolling me, because it’s all you do since the Squirt’s thread.
No one is trolling you, forums are public, if you post a lie or a weak argument people will just attack the argument, i attacked your weak arguments, not your person.
You have your arguments I have mine, so stop lecturing me like you know everything best!
You keep spreading non sense in forums, and you get mad when people destroy your arguments with proof, because you don’t have any math or proof to defend your weak arguments.
In this topic people is talking if rend deserves a nerf or not, most people just want to read the arguments of both parts, sadly you come to balance threads and without any knowledge start spreading non sense, post memes and get mad and type with caps.
I actually did this using a similar methodology to the barb buff proposal in thie thread linked below. The truth is barbs were not the worst class for years as claimed. This has been independently confirmed.
Barbs deserve a buff, but this part of their argument appears invalid. The only counter argument that has been put forth is that barbs are not the weakest mathematically, but their “observed” strength is greater than it appears since top barb clears use wonky mechanics. Of course, this does not take into account gimmicky mechanics that are employed by other classes for their top clears.
Barbs deserve a buff, but this part of their argument appears invalid. The only counter argument that has been put forth is that barbs are not the weakest mathematically, but their “observed” strength is greater than it appears since top barb clears use wonky mechanics. Of course, this does not take into account gimmicky mechanics that are employed by other classes for their top clears.
It’s really interesting the charts and data you posted in that link, basically monks are the worst class atm and wizard is the strongest one by a wide margin.
The data in the tables are for America region. Here is the one that looked at the top 40 in the America/EU/Asia at that time. Barbs were slightly worse than monks. Wizards were/are OP.
That is why when I typically discuss buffs I try to make sure that I recognize that monks desperately need a buff to have better class balance in addition to barbs.
I have warm soup for you, buddy.
Thx buddy, I’ll have a hanky on hand for you, being that easy to make cry.
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We really are the best of friends now, huh? 
Not at all, but don’t let that get you worked up, ya here.
Come to think of it, your flat 100% damage to Lamatations doesn’t sound so bad after all.
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Yes, I agree with you.
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Eh, does anyone honestly care that much about the ladder at this point? Especially on the heels of D4?
As long as there’s a good variety of viable builds that’s all that really matters - I couldn’t care less about the boards I just want to try out these 2 new sets especially the FotH build. I’d much rather they buff the existing underpowered/never used legendaries to open up more fun options.
D4 is like 2 years away (“not even blizzard soon”) so there’s a lot of time between then and now. The new crusader set buffs look ridiculous but without seeing I can’t tell if they’re trying to make these new sets the end game builds or competitive with lon or what or how powerful they’ll actually be. Hopefully with the ww nerf it’ll be meant for good speed grs and farming and the new set will be the pusher.
Ok, DieHarder I can answer your question now - If that Lamentation nerf goes live
I will be ticked off
I will have no great motivation to play season 19 - the wind has left my sails
but life goes on
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Reinstalled the game since my favorite class was finally getting some love, Sadly might be unistalling… Rest in piece d3, There was lots of fun had. D4 where you @
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Yes!!! I Do…
WW Rend Barbarian deserve more credit… Barbarians have been weak for a long time… IT deserve of lot of love…
Rend belt should’ve been nerfed by 50-100% bonus only, entire removal of 200% bonus is way too much.
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Consider that new class sets are coming out in this and the next few patches. It will be easy to tune them to, on the surface, the current solo standard: 140. Sure, one or two or three builds per class will be significantly stronger than others–for a while–but that can quickly and easily be adjusted by buffing the new sets and older items in subsequent updates.
In other words, it’s fine if Barb becomes the new Chantodo’s for a Season or two, just like it is equally fine if the new Monk set is that, or the new Crusader set, or if in a patch or two it’s Witch Doctors and Demon Hunters. You get my drift.
The idea of pure, well-tuned cross-class balance has long ago flown the coop. We are never getting it. But we can all share, in a rotation, so to speak, the feeling of being top dog. It’s a merry-go-round that only seats one, but if we take turns, we all get to enjoy the ride.
Nerfs are not the way to do things.
Buff as necessary to get builds/classes to the 140 solo standard!
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