A Barb Response to the Lamentation Nerf

[Hadd-1524]

@Gasnick-2400

They already killed D4 for me

Why, man? Game looks cool

[Zymurgeist-1185]

You can only get crushed so many time before you can’t rebound any more.

[Gasnick-2400]

@Hadd-1524

Why, man? Game looks cool

1. MMO stuff like World Bosses with 8-64 players running arround increasing lag to over 9000…

2. Trading allowing to buy all BiS items from botters on 3rd party sites…

3. PvP which probably will look like PK in D2 LoD…

4. Online Only which means no Offline mode and No mods support…Which also means that when a server crashes you’ll have to wait 1-3 days for them to fix it without any response…

5. Runes which should be back in D3 RoS which begs the question what we will see in D5… Charms maybe and Etheral items?

6. Cooldowns are back which means you won’t probably be able to run in werewolf or werebear form forever, but for only 20 seconds maybe…

7. Open world which means you’ll have to worry about any other player stealing your resources or monsters or just PK you on sight…

[Hadd-1524]

@Gasnick-2400

Open world which means you’ll have to worry about any other player stealing your resources or monsters or just PK you on sight…

Actually I think we will have separated instances, right? Those who want to play solo won’t see other players, except in cities , I guess. Similar to PoE

[Hadd-1524]

Actually you’re. Capisce?

[DeathbyFurio-1544]

Thats and Poe 4.0 thats supposed to rival d4. Good for competition.

[Windigo-1563]

@chris-11418

I will be surprised if someone finds something not right with WWrend build. IMO it is working as intended. A 10 grift nerf from PTR build at the top end and a small side grade/small buff at the low end. Similar to how crimson/echoing fury/FOT gave a small buff at the low end. Not much has change at the top end. In fact I think if you want to clear a 133 you will need to run core zodiac. There are too many stat conflicts on the wwrend build. On the ptr we could load up on stats that would make rend damage great because ww was relegated as a support skill. Now ww and rend damage are close so the build can never be optimized and you can’t sway one way or the other. This is why people are seeing at least 10 grifts nerf from ptr.

I am beginning to think that you have a valid point there.
Keep in mind I am not the greatest tester in hell but I played for quite a while last night and noticed that just going up a single GR was like hitting a wall damage wise. I know there are a lot of variables in play but the damage loss was very noticeable, especially on the Mobs. It was like, man! I got the sharpest blades around to wtf did I forget my swords in town?!
Anyway, Please reinstate that Lamentation Buff.

[Prokahn-1764]

FYI guys:

Darkpotatoes clearing 140 is a hota build with bugged fjorf. FJORD is a seismic slam weapon. HE CLEARED IT EXPLOITING A BUG. It is a good thing that this bug is fixed otherwise you may keep bashing your head to walls in the remainďer of D3.

On the contrary, this bug is a gift. THEY HAVE TO FIX THE BUG AND WHILE AT IT ASK FOR REASONABLE BUFFS AND EDITS TO CURRENT ITEMS. Do not fixate on what a streamer is doing. And do not argue with trolls please.

PS: this brings us the question: those clears on LBs with hota exploiting fjord. As these users did not report this bug they have exploited it. What will be the action by blizzard I wonder.

[Free-1746]

Hmm. Seen some folk make contradictory claims about me as compared to what’s in my OP.

Would ask that everyone check the OP again, as the requests I’m making couldn’t be more simple:

• Lamentation at 200%
• Fjord bug fixed
• Fjord and Remorseless further buffed

@Hadd-1524

What do you expect?

I know better than to expect anything. But there are numerous issues they have to fix, such as the problem with Crusader, and the Fjord bug. I also know for a fact that our complaints about Lamentation have been a big topic of discussion between Nev and the devs. That’s the thing many of y’all don’t understand. Her official posts here are very neutral because they have to do be–it’s part of her job. But she is most certainly an advocate for us; she’s a major reason why our Fjord and Remorseless ideas from the proposal made it into the game. She kept our threads and requests front and center in meetings. She’s awesome, and if she’s overworked, horrifically under-staffed, and has to clear every little thing she posts with corporate lawyers, the devs, and various other PR outlets in the company, that doesn’t change the fact that she’s doing all she can for us.

Unfortunately, advocating to the Classic Games team is . . . well, there’s no telling what may happen. I’m trying to stay busy and optimistic.

[agra-21705]

they stated that the “balance” patch is coming between now and season start. Tho i hope they don’t wait to long, knowing if they nerf sader they might do the same thing they did with rend and completly destroy the set. and then having no time to readjust before season start leaving saders in the same spot we barbs are.

[Cybah-2323]

@Free-1746

• Lamentation at 200%
• Fjord bug fixed
• Fjord and Remorseless further buffed

This. Plus:

• AV nerfed to be able to clear GR 145ish with 10k paragon.

[MeganeSenpai-1314]

I think he exploited 2 bugs: Fjord and wall slam.

[Free-1746]

The Barb community is not asking for nerfs of any kind to any class. Period.

If the devs see fit to nerf Sader, that’s their decision.

The math is clear: They don’t want classes to solo 150, and they may not want groups doing 150s anymore, either. I know Nev & the devs are working on a blog post about this, but I’m guessing they’re trying to bring the solo ceiling down to 140 (where it currently is) and the group ceiling down as well.

Guess we’ll find out.

[Meteorblade-2266]

@Free-1746

I’m trying to stay busy and optimistic.

Regardless of what the pre-S19 balance patch does or doesn’t bring, I’d personally like to thank you for the effort you put into trying to get us relevant as damage dealers again. The PTR week was the most fun I’ve had on my Whirlwind in years and I’d love to play one in S19.

Whilst it’s unlikely I’ll ever get to deliver on the promise, I owe you this…

[Grimcruel-1695]

Indeed, after the “needed nerf “ on rend because they were so OP, I don’t want any “nerfs “ and think it should be “fixed” not nerfed. Then again, I also think people should not keep using 10k paragon as reference.

[Sinobu-1488]

Honestly, I was so hyped for this ss.
Now, I’m bored already. It’s a mess at its best. Will just doing it for a couple days to get ss reward, then done.
Gotta go to PoE for my desired WW build. Pepega, here I come!!!

[Seiya-1765]

@Hadd-1524

Those who want to play solo won’t see other players, except in cities , I guess. Similar to PoE

They outright said that is not happening.

https://www.pcgamer.com/heres-how-diablo-4s-shared-world-works/

The subtext of that title is a quote I seem to remember being said, but here is the subtext:

You can’t turn off other players, but you don’t have to enter dungeons with them.

[Drakiock-1135]

@Grimcruel-1695

Then again, I also think people should not keep using 10k paragon as reference.

Reminds one of the old phrase, the rich gets richer as time goes on. The disparity at looking a how seasonal play works should not be regulated to the top 1% percent viewpoint. Hope Blizzard is able to compensate lesser players fairly.

[JEB90-1994]

Since Blizzard is pretty much explicitly using this week as a live PTR, any action would be ridiculous. I tried out fjord cutter on my wastes barb. Banning me would be a good way to make sure I never play another Blizzard game.

[Hadd-1524]

(off topic)

I wish Barbarian’s new set revolved around Revenge, Overpower and a big two handed sword like “The Grandfather”. I built something in a similar fashion in PoE, the game I’m currently playing. Something like that: big, fat hits, in a wide arc with a big sword.