You guys aren’t looking at the whole conversation I was having when I said that. I say this because what I was trying to say (even if I stated it poorly) was that if somebody doesn’t know how charms work then they shouldn’t be voting on charms. If they dont know how a certain aspect works in the game even if they played it they shouldn’t get to vote to change it
Did I say that wrong? Yeah and you have a right to disagree with I said. What i meant is that D2 players who have stuck with the game and know how it works in and out are the best people to vote for or against changes.
Yeah I get what you’re saying, I just skimmed through too quickly and made a reactionary post. That one line was just inflammatory without context. I tend to agree that those without any real game knowledge muddy the waters of what is reasonable and what is a legit path to take the game in.
Even taking the whole conversation into account I do think your misjudging people who didn’t stick with the game past say 1.10, many of the players asking for changes have played the game for years. But I know people like what they like and don’t want it change, which is why the best compromise is if the changes are made they need to be made optional either through a new realm or limited to changes that can be optional. As I don’t want to ruin anyone’s experience with changes I feel will make my experience better, I’ve wanted things like charm inventory and instanced loot since at least 2006. I also have always felt charms were bad addition in LOD.
Even casual d2 players should be allowed to vote, but they should have added time played in the survey so we could get a better view of who actually wants what.
Why apologizing for lack of time, many of us have grown up since our teen years of playing D2 and don’t have as much time as we did then.
You are talking about one very specific point that you have knowledge about and applying it to the whole general argument.
Overall, if somebody doesn’t have experience or doesn’t know how something works in a game they shouldn’t be voting on it.
There was no need to take what I said as a personal attack. What I said was fair and understandable. If a player doesn’t know how something works then they probably shouldn’t be able to change it for everyone else
I guess I just think that we should listen to people who have experience with a certain change when talking about a certain change.
For people who didn’t play LOD I don’t think it would make sense if we listen to them for changes that pertain to only LOD
I think a way that this can be done is if blizzard does a survey that doesn’t just ask you if you played D2 but have prerequisite questions on what characters you have played, if you played the expansion or not, if you played 1.10-1.14 and so on…
I think depending on what you say for the “experience questions” should affect what other questions you can answer. I know maybe that seems a bit harsh but I really wouldn’t like If D3 players hadn’t played D2 but voted for personal loot while not understanding the other things in D2 that it would affect. If they had played it and knew it would affect other things like trading and still voted for personal loot then thats completely fine.
I think you get what I’m trying to say. I just don’t like it when that type of stuff happens or when people who come to these forums say that D3 or PoE is better and so D2R needs to be like it. Because honestly if they didn’t like D2 then they shouldn’t be trying to change the remaster… If you get what I mean
I am glad that you appear to have abandoned many of your arguments that lack merit. Although it is true that game experience is important when providing feedback, let’s see the consequence of 10% of respondents not been able to give an opinion based on lack of game knowledge.
We can look at this more analytically. Let’s assume 10% of respondent do not know the game and their opinion should be thrown out. Is their directionality in their answers? Specifically, “unsure” is a category. Would you not expect people who have not played the game to be more likely to be in the unsure category? Are you assuming all answered in the way that you oppose?
What do the numbers look like in each extreme circumstance (all who lacked game knowledge answered in only one category) and also evenly split between choices?
Should the Non-Ladder runeword / drop restrictions be removed?
Answer
Original
All 10% For
All 10% Against
All 10% Unsure
Evenly Split
Yes
54.0%
48.9%
60.0%
60.0%
56.3%
No
24.0%
26.7%
15.6%
26.7%
23.0%
Unsure
22.0%
24.4%
24.4%
13.3%
20.7%
Note: In the table “All 10%” refer to the 10% who lack game knowledge where their answers are removed from the survey.
Conclusion
In all extreme and the evenly split case, the majority opinion becomes more of a majority unless the 10% all due to their lack of game knowledge picked the majority opinion. Even in this latter example, more people with game knowledge favored the “yes” answer by a wide margin.
I agree experience does matter, though I believe that any type of experience does have a plateau.
I haven’t seen this tbh, but I’d disagree with anyone who thinks PoE or D3 are better. D3 isn’t even a ARPG in my opinion as progression is more tied to gear then, and has far too little player choose for me. Its basically just action game with tacked on rpg-lite features, it would be like calling COD:MW a FPSRPG. Though I wouldn’t know what to call it instead, maybe action looter ? The atmosphere is also not horror enough, and the sound/music isn’t as good, I despise soul-bound loot.
PoE is much more similar to D2 but i don’t like the story and I’m not a fan of how the progression tree works in PoE.
Anyways to the point if someone didn’t like D2 I don’t know why they would preorder D2R. Because regardless of what changes the dev’s decide to do I doubt they would enjoy playing D2.
why would anyone who did not play D2 participate in a survey they don’t care about? Stop with your conspiracy theories, and stop trying to discredit the good work that went into setting up that survey. The reality is that a large amount of people disagreed with you; others agreed. Get over it.
if the results are so easy to manipulate, why didn’t the purists manipulate it in their favor? Again, illogical fallacies.
I may not agree with much of the stuff people wanted from that survey, but that’s just MY opinion. You are also allowed to have your opinion and disagree with everything. That does not make a sampling of 4k people any less valid.
I love it when somebody uses the term conspiracy theory to make the person they are saying it to sound crazy or to discredit their argument as if it doesn’t have any reasonable points worth considering.
I titled this post as “Why the survey may not be accurate” I never said I was right. I simply want people to be aware that it may not be accurate and therefore shouldn’t be used as if it is EXACTLY what the D2 community wants. You think it’s so crazy for me to consider others manipulating the results when I can do that easily myself? I also mentioned that people may have played the game but not all the way through or they may not know certain aspects of what they are voting to change.
I simply brought up concerns of why it I do not believe the results, I personally don’t see why D2 players would vote for some of the changes and there were a lot of reasons why the survey could not be accurate.
So applying your logic, let me turn your argument back on you
Assuming it is not real because I don’t like the results, are you willing to say without a doubt, 100% certain, bet your life on it, that the results are accurate?
Are you going to spout nonsense and ignore the fact that it is easily manipulated data? That anyone could access the survey? That it isn’t specific to D2 players and there is no way to tell how much of the game, or what patch, participants actually played? Is none of this worth considering?
Yes let’s ignore everything I said and all the reasons I said it. The survey has no bias, it is perfect, it is official, everyone was honest, everyone played and knew everything they were voting on, only D2 players took it and it is the epitome of what the D2 community wants in D2R
Literally can say the exact same to you in a lot lesser words.
What if based on how surveys actually work (with a hoard upon hoard of surveys to accurately get a relative idea of how a survey works) …it is fairly accurate?
so you are telling me that you can prove without a doubt that the survey is 100% accurate and we should ignore possibilities of why it might not be like biases?
Do you just trust everything like this? Should we just assume that this survey is exactly what the D2 community wants despite the fact that the survey wasn’t even posted to D2 players specifically?
actually MicroRNA also mentioned that some of the points I made mere “unlikely”
that doesn’t mean that it didn’t happen
we are getting nowhere having this argument, you say it’s accurate and choose to believe so and I say it might not be for various reasons and I honestly believe that for those reasons. However, you choose to insult me and suggest I only made this post because I disliked the results.
