Yes nerfing is bad. But do you feel the same that it’s not that caster is op but spirit runeword is. To compensate the difficulty to make a spirit, it can have at least 30% FCR.
I think spirit is like oath for a melee class. It should have the same rarity. Oath even demands an ethereal weapon, which is still harder to find than a white monarch shield.
I agree with your opinion!
However, the ‘masses’ that ‘never’ play Melee classes (who only seem to want to race to Grail or 99) will 110% Disagree with you.
Welcome to the D2R Hated Club.
I know, as I disclaimed at the very beginning. I’m just saying, spirit = oath. But if we make oath TalThulOrtAmn, it won’t bring more love because barb is still less than a sorc, and that runeword makes even more stuff unrelevant.
No. It is mediocre as the weapon which is the only low level spirit you can get unless you are a Paladin. The endgame shield is balanced by requiring a high level and high end shield and requiring a large number of rerolls to get 35fcr. 35 is a must too so you need to reroll a lot.
I’ll reiterate, it is trash if you don’t get 35fcr on the shield.
Not true at all. lol.
Something is always better than nothing, and especially when most characters in D2 will make this Runeword Twice and use them at the SAME TIME.
Remove the versatility of Sword-or-shield. Pick one or the others. The ONLY reason to have both is to make casters better. Is that fair? No.
If the current spirit were capped at 30% FCR, guess what, it still be the BiS shield for many builds.
Yep, its OP. ‘Most’ players are are so used to creating this identical runeword combo that they think its a ‘Must Have’ in order to play their non-melee class.
It isn’t, All you casters can struggle just as much as Melee do; you just don’t want to or think you somehow shouldn’t have to.
The rerolls are cheap though, especially if you are farming countess for keys. Start of the ladder season I made spirit 35fcr in 2 swords, a monarch and a pally shield before finding my second keyset.
Yes, the rerolls are cheap and its very easy to obtain top tier gear right away. Is that okay?
I’m just going to fall back to my standard… “If you don’t like it… don’t use it”.
Stop trying to destroy other people’s enjoyment. It doesn’t impact you in the slightest. Or, even better… stop playing and go play something that you like.
Or you know they could focus on the real problem ? Giving melee some love so they can also league start efficiently like caster can ?
(I bet my quotes wont work again, I 100% agree with you @ WazeDave! Either Dumb Down ALL casters[making content difficult] or Beef up Melee, so thay can actually compete with casters).
Except that your ‘standard’ can be said to RMT and botting as well.
First, make oath as cheap as spirit; second, remove the level part in hit chance calcuation. I think together these can make melee smoother at least.
we could make spirit into crafting recipes tal + thul + ort + amn + Lidless Wall = upgraded with spirit stats Lidless Wall.
Exactly. Don’t like RMT or botting… don’t use it. I fail to see how other’s doing so impacts you in any way.
Simple enough: it’s not that other’s doing impacts me, it’s that one item overshadows a lot of others, yielding less meaning full choices.
Spirit not only overshadows a whole bunch of caster weapons and shield, its accessibility makes the entirety of physical builds even further away from viable choices.
No thanks. Don’t want to see MF on spirit.
Instead, give spirit more varying stats (+1-2 skills, varying resists, etc).
The Grandfather + Eth + Tir + Lo + Mal + Ral = upgraded with Grief stats The Grandfather. Jah + Ith + Ber + Tyrael’s Might = upgraded with Enigma stats Tyrael’s Might.
As mentioned spirit weap is hardly OP. For sorcs and necs they have many alternatives that can easily displace it. For Pally it isn’t really a big deal that they can use spirit shield earlier on. Hardly OP. By the time other classes can use spirit monarch it is beyond mid game so spirits strength is hardly OP then too…
for the runes it cost it’s pretty OP. you use it not only on sorc and nec. but on all characters except for amazon.