VV: Please read -- I LOVE THE CHARMS AND TZ'S

Yes? Like every public game after a certain point was being run by a bot, how could it not have affected your multiplayer experience?
And yes TZ’s are an incredible idea if the goal is to get people out of doing the same run over and over and into different areas that they might never have even thought of farming. Now, when you sit down to play you’ll have to adjust and get used to whatever the current TZ is, building skill and learning what basically all of the game’s enemies have to throw at you over time as you level up at endgame. This beats the ever-loving piss out of endless Baal runs and it’s honestly pretty genius.

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I played in plenty of baal runs. How did you know they were a bot?

Also you can say TZ is a great idea for getting people out of doing the same thing over and over, sure but it’s point was to get to ease the path to 99. A brand new content area could have done that. Now I’m not saying TZ are the absolute worst really but the idea isn’t the least bit impressive. Just like when they made all of those other areas lvl 85, sure thats cool and all, but most of them were trash density in the first place and still aren’t ever farmed.

How is it unimaginative? Almost the entirety of how you customize your character in this game is through itemization choices, and this is just one more itemization choice to make. The charms are an amazing idea and they do exactly what they’re intended to do, which is allow any character to fight in any area.

Did you even read my entire post? People dont want more stuff in their inventory.
Instead of fixing the systemic problem of skills and the current items they just add another item.

You are right the game is about itemization and choices. SO FIX THE ITEMS.

Do you enjoy finding a Schaefers hammer and saying to yourself. “Oh thats neat its the hardest hammer to find” just to sell it to charsi becuase its completely useless.

Wouldnt you rather the hardest unqiues to find actually be endgame?

Sunder charms are just a lazy fix that creates more problems then it fixes.

Sorcs are going to replace hammerdins as everyones QQ class.

It feels pretty disingenuous of you to insinuate that bnet public game list wasn’t nearly completely filled with bot-created games at some point.
If the stated goal is to ease the leveling process then it’s succeeding there as well as it adds a much needed source of higher level monsters to level up on, and getting players out of the habit of doing the same exact run endlessly is just a nice side effect of that. There is an entire game there waiting for you to play it and you only want them to make something new. What happens when that new becomes old? Should they just continue making ‘new’ things forever just to satisfy you temporarily? How about make what’s there even more interesting? That sounds like a more viable plan for long-term gameplay.

I mean so I was running pubs for a while right. But I never thought any of the leaders were bots. Issue was I kept losing my spot and wanted to keep up with the baal run so I could run chaos as much as possible, so I switch over to JSP private runs. But I never thought the chars were bots and in a normal baal run that I start it has the same feeling as any other pub. Nobody really talks, we just go and kill baal over and over lol.

I’ve played the entire game. I really don’t run the whole XP grind thing in the first place. Pick a char, if it benefits from P8, then I join a baal run, and go MF where I want depending on the character I’m on. I’m cool with breaking it up somewhat, but they could have just as easily removed the negative XP gain from being higher than other monsters level and achieved a similar goal. I do however like that I have more places to farm, that isn’t bad. Yes, they should actually new new cool content over and over, but thats getting ahead of ourselves. What they really should have been doing is focusing on doing the QoL updates everyone was asking for and resetting ladder.

Also there is nothing interesting/innovative about TZ areas. They just give better rewards now.

There isn’t really a main issue with getting around immunities now if you’re a good player. There are so many options tbh.

But bad players don’t see them or don’t use them. So they cry and whine about immunities and the game gets dumbed down to the lowest common denominator.

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I agree with everything you wrote here OP. Except these charms don’t need to be easily obtainable like a gheeds or a pul rune. They need to be somewhere in-between say a Gheeds/pull and a Jah/Ber/ HR. These charms also bring in addition to there immunity affects a good opportunity to change the trade market/economy meta.

Only certain builds should have free access to full farming in Terror Zones while others should depend on RNG to obtain the same privilege. Not only that but also farm -resistance gear so that you can actually do some damage vs the sundered mobs…

Such inclusion… :rofl:

Teleport or run around the mobs. Or ya can just roll a class that isn’t impacted by immunities. It isn’t rocket science… :rofl:

Skipping mobs is a skillful endeavor? :rofl:

the point of that being is, cold sorc will be JUST AS GOOD, if not better, with budget gear, while it takes… alot of grinding to make that perfect lit sorc.

when a budget build is just as powerful as an endgame build, there is something wrong with the game. and this is what they want to do to the game 22 years into it. i don’t understand.

thats why the most reasonable players here are asking to

  • change Cmastery to +5% or nerf it to +2%
  • balance/buff non-pally magic builds
  • balance/buff physical builds
  • fix poison frame skiping bug

d2r is a completely independent title from d2:lod
we just cant see this as d2:lod anymore

This is not a fact. This is your opinion.

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Well based on polls, its majority.

And how many people in the entire player-base actually respond to polls?

(i.e., the majority of people who even bother to take the time to respond to polls does not equal the majority of people who play the game.)

Doesnt matter how many. The amount who did clearly care enough to respond and results show more people want it than not want it.

If you don’t know about the polls, you won’t vote there. Unless it’s a poll that is linked in the game client, it’s useless. They are all biased based on the creator of the poll and the platforms they are posted on.

Even worse, people that don’t play D2/D2R can vote on any of those Twitch/Reddit polls. Who cares about the opinion of PoE/Grim Dawn players that don’t even play D2R?

Sure but one was on reddit and second on jsp, both places have far more active people than this forum where most people come just to complain.

I am also on multiple big discords and based on discussion majority also welmcome the change.

This forum is kind of odd as its only place i know where more people dont like it. But this forum hasquite small active player base.

Keep in mind i consider change poorly balanced and i would deal with immunes differently. But if it is yes or no for 2.5 changes, i vote for yes asits make some builds more viable and it open new places where you can play.

If majority of players would be against it,why polls in highly populated places related to d2 were for the change?

I dont see why these people would even bother to vote tho? Whyeven be in d2 community when you play something else?

Its like me go on whim to poe forum when i dont play it. Like why? Why waste time to vote on something i know nothing about?

This forum here wouldn’t be good to poll either. That’s why I said → Poll in Game Client. For people who actually play the game and login.

The problem is, that people welcome a new way to deal with immunities, but those charms are a very crappy implementation for it. I would also want a change that allows all builds to deal with immunities. But I really don’t like those charms.

Because D2R is an ARPG. There aren’t a lot of players for this genre and they all hopp from game to game depending on season starts. Some prefer PoE some D2R some Grim Dawn or any other of those ARPG. But everyone is looking what’s happening in the other games and if there is an poll with easy access, a lot of people just vote in hope that all games are adjusted to their playstyle and they have more options when the season of their own favourite game gets boring.

Modern gamers want every game to be cut to their own preference. When a game does something different, the people complain that it should be like the other games, so they can get bored.

Just look how people want cold mastery to give + damage like light and fire mastery. So it doesn’t matter which element you choose, they will all be the same. Boring 0815 trash with fake “diversity”.

Those charms are a crappy way to allow people to break immunities. If blizzard would have made a poll about which option to break immunities should be implemented, it would have never gotten to those charms.

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I fully agree, but this is sadly what we are getting and in my eyes still better than nothing.

That’s the difference. I would have preferred they canceled those charms and prepared a different way for S3. A lot of people are just waiting for the reset and it wouldn’t matter to have no big changes. They could have just reset and worked 4 month on a better solution for the next reset.