well … my train of thought was:
everyone is going to do TZ for the exp and high TC loot. Hence items like Griffons, DWeb, DFathom will be way more common and inevitably loose value (vs Runes).
So far I am not observing such drop in value.
Where is my logic failing? (maybe Ladder does not have enough time to develop this process?)
I once installed a mod for singleplayer that made every single item that dropped unique or a set item if any such existed, with a 50% chance of being a rare – with rare items generally weighing better affixes than normally.
After 7 hours, I had not found Tal Rasha’s armor nor Death’s Web nor Death’s Fathom.
…
The sheer scarcity of the highest tier elite items is insane – so insane only bots can reliably affect the economy.
And the bots ‘prefer’ travincal runs – while there also having been a ban wave.
Hundreds of players each finding one Death’s Fathom OR Death’s Web once per week – out of something like ten thousand players – means we’re not likely to see prices drop for months.
There needs to be an excess for people that already own a high roll to pass it down for a an even higher roll – freeing up the existing high level items.
I don’t think we’ve come to the part of ladder where players pass down the TC87 items yet.
as long as the player base stays relatively the same and the chance drop for Griffon is not modified then the supply will remain constant.
if more people want a Griffon now in order to farm TZ then the demand is increased
hence, if supply rate remains constant but demand increases → price increases, it’s basic economics.
It’s not a consumable;
You don’t need a new Griphon’s after 120 hours of use – it lasts until the heat death of the universe or the Bnet servers shut down, whichever comes first.
The only way for them to disappear, in softcore, is people losing them by accident, inventory glitches, and rotting in the inventories of people who stop playing the game and don’t give them away.
All others accumulate, until they figuratively start to trickle down the proverbial ladder, from the top echelons and down.
They replace theirs with better ones, and those that couldn’t afford a griphons but almost did get to buy their first.
And so on and so forth, until they’re worth Vex.
Its important to remember that griffs demand comes basically from 2 specs, lite sorc and javs
With scharms and how cold sorc became great with it, less people have the objective build a lite sorce
Everyone needs them prob, look how long p torches hold value and theyre farmed lots. There are prob more griffons now but everyone still needs them it holds value
Except that Griffon Eye supply has increased due to TZ being up to level 96. In terms of demand, I am not sure that you can argue that there is an increased demand for Griffon eye to farm TZ as we know that TZ players are skewed towards cold sorcs and hammerdins that do not use Griffon;s eye at all.
Your right, but supply is only half the equation. Demand is absolutely down now that lite specs and even dual specs are pointless with sunder charms
Well griffon and other elite stuff is still highest TC item in game so it doesnt drop iften but there is definitely a lot more griffons because they can drop a lot more now. Its just hard to compare. If tyraels might dropps will be doubled, will you notice when you didnt find one in 10 years?
Market wise is griffon one of the most wanted items as its end gane gear for popular builds, its like shako early now. So it wont lose price easily.
The logic is failing because you assume that before the access to highest level of gear was lower. It was not.
Before people got the exp from Chaos and drops from Chaos. Or Pits. Or AT.
Now they can do it in different places - just because several other areas have opened in terms of loot possibility, it doesn’t mean it’s a better one. Sure, for EXP it’s a good deal because the level of monsters is high enough.
But for drops? It’s still the same. Monster TC have been boosted but that’s it - it’s not like a level 95 monster from TZ has a higher chance to drop something than a Unique from Chaos. The difference, aside from EXP, is the place on the map where farming takes place.
Even trash mobs have now the ability to drop those items, which wasn’t the case before. Also TZs are biased to drop more elite loot and less of the normal and exceptional items.
exactly, if the player base stays the same and drop chance are the same then the number of available griffs on the market should be the same.
it’s just that now, instead of farming WSK or CS exclusively, you have other places that you could farm as well.
i found my griff in the ancient sewers (as usual for me) no TZ. haven’t ID’d yet and i’ve had it in my stash for over a week lol.
I cannot speak to the bias so I will leave it for now but for trash mobs - it may technically be true but tbh I always felt like people were sniping boss packs and champions anyway.
Even now for exp, whille the trash mobs give more exp than uniques from non-tz, I bet that people leave most of them alone.
If the forums and other places are indicating anything, it’s that people have a hard time getting rid of old meta-knowledge and accepting a new one.
Bosspacks still give way more XP in TZ. So wasting time on trash mobs is still a bad idea, especially in low density areas. But people still kill trash mobs in aoe or because they are in bigger packs, so more rolls on elite items. Especially cows, flayer, tombs are now lots of rolls.
You see it on all the base items dropping. I find way more diadems in TZ than in any tc85 area before.
I don’t mind the rarity of certain items, but when they have a bunch of wide ranging important stats, it really kills it when you finally get one and it has sh!tty rolls.
I know the feeling. My last griffon rolled -16/10 low def. But if everything would roll perfect, there would be less trade and you would be finished much faster. It’s not like D2R has a lot of content after the grind.
Fixed. Instead of farming the existing high level areas, now we can farm terror zones instead… We can’t farm 2 spots at the same time. So the only difference is a VERY small chance other monsters can drop the sought after item.
My 17% Death’s Fathom says hello 