The Truth about Magic Find

I’m posting this because I noticed as I was playing HC most players had a very distorted view of MF and I wanted to share what I’ve learned before I left the game. I noticed some of the streamers were also fueling some myths for click bait builds. After losing several of my HC chars to defenseless disconnects, I decided to do some experiments in single player.

In HC I noticed a lot of players trading to get an excessive amount of MF. Some players would brag they are running 350%+. People with good gear were giving enormous wealth to squeeze out some more MF, such as near perfect MF roll items.

Here is the truth:
-your first 150% is critical and has an excellent return
-the next range of 150-200, depends, but for most builds its worth it
-200-250 is rarely worth it
-250+ its never worth it

How do I know? Well your actual wealth accumulation is based on 2 factors; MF and kill/quality of kill speed. So I tested both of these to the max to see if I could drastically change the rate of wealthy drops. I did that in single mode with some fudged gear that gave me 5,500 MF and a build that literally kills everything on screen in 8 player hell instantly. Then I could scale down the MF to find a sweet spot.

So the test with 5,500 MF really did not find as much loot as I was expecting and really isn’t much different than what you would find at 200 MF. Each zone you would typically find between 1-2 uniques, most of them junk. Your boss kills would typically turn up an elite/exceptional item of significance every 15-20 runs. So your biggest barrier was actually the quality of the item dropping so you actually had a chance to roll it as a set or unique. Hell is still littered with normal/exceptional items and even when you did get such a drop there was a very low chance it would be something of value. My guy is now 99 and I still never found any set or unique sacred armor, Windforce, Eaglehorn, and several others.

So in the end I found that MF was your biggest barrier up until about 200 MF, and then kill speed/players scale becomes your lowest hanging fruit after that mark but not for very long as those are all scaling vertically and my character couldn’t possible kill things any faster.

The real X factor to drastically increase your wealth comes from two things:

Scaling horizontally. Instead of having a single character with amazing gear & MF doing runs quickly, have multiple characters running 200 MF at the same time with a decent kill speed. This is the most effective way to drastically improve your high end drops. This is how I believe the online item sellers scale up their inventory. Tons of people in a room (or bots) using hundreds of accounts to find items and runes quicker than any of us single players can. Every account they add is increasing their chance to find a very good item by more than double; outweighing any possible MF or speed improvements you could possible make.

The second way to drastically scale your wealth is by farming ultra rare yellows/blues/eth sockets and trading them. Since most players want to run a nearly full inventory of charms and don’t want to invest the time to pick these up (due to their high fail rate), with the right mods they can get a king’s ransom as their existence is rarer than many of the uniques and runes. That doesn’t mean you pick up every blue/yellow you find. To do this effectively you need to memorize which items have a chance to pay out big and what is junk.

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Mf itself is a junk stat. You can have 1000mf but it doesnt matter because the item itself needs to roll first before mf applies. Which means farming for something specific will never work and most likely you’d have to trade your way up to the items that you want. Uniques are 99.9% useless and sets are 99.99% useless. MF also only really works for boss farming and doesnt apply much to anything else as well. Only area where mf is useful would be to look for those gg rares/magic items. But bases runes pgems charms and gg jewels are where its at for the end game which mf doesnt apply at all.

tl dr; mf is useless.

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Honestly MF is pointless in today’s game.

Just build for a max dps character and farm level 85 areas, cows, Diablo, Pindle, Eldritch, etc.

Get into the rune game and trade for the gear you want.

Much easier.

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What this topic creator failed to explain is that actually the truth behind Magic find doesn’t quite apply the way he is making out to be so he really isn’t any better than the youtubers he claims spread myths.

Here is a video from a youtuber who debunks a lot of things people say about this game expands on what hacknojam said above about magic find being useless.

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You are wrong. It definitely is worth it.

I am missing real data in your post. Statistics, what you found. Like come on, you do experiment and dont have proper data from it?

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way off dude
40% MF Gloves(no skill lost, but 20% FCR)
25-35-40% MF Rings X2(50-70-80% MF)(2 skills lost)(no Nagel use here)
25-50% MF Boots(no skills lost)
25-99% MF(Chains of Honor or Enigma)…no skills lost)
40% MF Gheed(no skills lost)
35% MF Amy(no Skill lost but require char lvl 94+ to craft or an extremely rare drop from a ilvl 90+ enemy
Shako 74-75% MF(no skills lost)

Minimum MF with minor dps lost(289% MF)(more resist from Survival by Rings/Boots
Maximum MF with minor dps lost(419% MF)(lower Survival)
Optionnal: 180% Ist Weap + 100% MF Ist Shield on swap)…698% MF Max…CTA Sacrifice…IF full time use for Thrashfarm -5 Skills -75% FCR(terrible idea if use outside Boss finisher)
…EDIT: well…an Assassin with Nigma + Dream Helm could potentialy smoke normal areas using 61% FRW BoS…45% FRW nigma…20-30% FRW boots
while using 180% Ist weap + 100% mf ist Shield(50% less MF from helm but +280% from weap/shield)…that be 1 way to hard farm high quality mf rings//rare MF boots in mass

amusingly…i was about to post a thread on where to farm some leet MF gear with ease…EDIT: actually scrap that…not viable in the way i thought…forgotten that affixes come in pool series and that all affixes are already in the ilvl 1-16 range(except for elemental dmg at ilvl 45+)…cant filter some pools of mods out by farming lower lvl areas :S(except Ele dmg)

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Please can someone guide me to mf patch notes I can’t seem to find the one that explains how it works.

I am working on MF guide and will post it in few days.

Let’s not forget about the full Tal set + 35fcr monarch combo that is amazing for a fire/cold sorc. Ist into the weapon (lidless eye), ptopaz into the armor and the mask. That leaves the glove/boot/ring slots free. It’s easy to add +20%fcr to hit the 105% breakpoint and the same applies to fhr. Charms help to reach max resists, higher fhr and higher MF. 3-400MF and very good fcr/fhr breakpoints are easy even with 2x4 or 4x4 free inventory slots and the full Tal set has amazing bonuses. For low-MF/high-damage farming I use a lightning sorc with more expensive unique items but even she has about 100MF despite the fact that I didn’t care about it.

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i don’t believe you. cathan’s rings are way too common, with that much magic find it was probably raining cathan’s rings.

Full Tal Set ? no,never…3 pieces combo ?(Amy+Armor+belt) yes
168% MF + 2 SKills///decent Life//Resists Gains///30% FCR
Shako > Mask
Hoto > lidless eye

Charm Wise 20 Lifers are more favorable to a Sorc…but if got both…eh…

i technicly forgot Tal 3 piece combo for MF XD

inv space i like 2X4 + 2X6 at least to loot items…an extra 1X3 dont hurt either

The Shako and HOTO are quite expensive. The full Tal set is relatively cheap and provides amazing value, it’s often severely underrated. The only semi-rare/semi-expensive parts are the ammy and the armor.

Comparing the Shako and the Tal Mask is quite unfair, there is a Tal mask behind every single bush in the game. :smiley: The same applies to HOTO vs lidless eye. You are more likely to find a lidless eye than a Vex.

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Lets not forget the true benefit of using the full Tal set… You sparkle like a shining star!

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Vex//Lidless about same hunt speed actually(if you know where to look for HR)

Tal Mask untill find Shako sure…but should not take too long to get it

According to a drop calculator the best Vex dropper is Hell Andariel with 1:16548 and the lidless eye drop rate with 150MF is between 1:500 - 1:1000 and that includes several easy-to-farm targets including Andariel. Are there some lesser known exploits or Vex droppers that can be killed at a high enough rate?

Runes are unaffected by MF %

Trav guys(both from Trav and Dur 3) has the hightest drop rate for HR
the Chest behind Meph is a super chest(nice bonus to the Trav guy along Meph)
Chaos Sanc come in second(3 super elite + lots of ghosts + D himself)
Ancients Tunnel(Lost City)//The Pit(Tamoe Highland)…high density lvl 85 areas
Arcane Sanc(full of Ghosts) + 9 super chests(3 at each dead end)
Worldstone Keep 1-3 + Throne
Cows(not great drop rate but high density of them)
Nilathak(hightest drop rate of all mobs but he’s alone so less value for HR farm)
Pindleskin(drop all items in the game except 3 items*, but not as solid for HR
Lower Kurast Bonfire Chests(easy to farm in junk gear)

EDIT: here the drop charts for Runes…just do a bit of maths
diablo2 diablowiki net/Guide:Rune_Finder_Guide_v1.10,_by_Urlik

add the ttp and dots where they belong to complete the link

EDIT 2:fixed an error after Valmar post correcting me
so not just Arach but also the 2 items he mentionned that Pindle also cant drop
…i think the info i picked up might refer to “dropping all the the best Uniques in the game except for Arachnid”…which might be more accurate
cause Azure and Tyr might aren’t excactly top of the line Uniques XD

Pindleskin can not drop every item but arachnid.
he also cant drop Azure and Tyrael Might. Those 3 items.

Not important, but just to notice it.

The best magic find amount is… drum roll

The maximum amount you can equip WITHOUT sacrificing kill speed OR survivability.

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What this guy says.
In fact, depends 100% on the character you use for obvious reason.
It also depends on you killing bosses or areas or miss. If you just tele + meph, andy etc, you can hace trillions of mf without sacrificing too much. However if you clean entire areas, you are losing a lot of killing speed.

So it depends, its absurd to say a number or a range. Like 100% nonsense. Because you can have 550% on a boss sorc and be amazing, and if you have 250% in a furydruid is like too slow and bad for him.

I clear areas, because I want teh high roons. :slight_smile:
I don’t kill EVERYTHING, but I’ll kill most everything. Aint got time for them stragglers, pfft, they can live to fight another day.