in your opinon non ladder, what is the best sorc build. im looking at blizz builds, and in llamas build he uses spirit monarch which requires 156 strength? so if i use that…im dumping alot of points into strength? what do you guys use for all around clearing, do i use coh or nigma?
if this is one of your 3 first char go for this gear set up if possible
Helm: Shako…would not recommend using Nightwing for 2 reasons
1: you loose a buttload of life(like 120-148)
2: rip MF…if you dont need the MF then have something to cover that massive life lost
Armor: Viperskin(200% fcr build) or Ethereal Skullder(for MF)
…Ormus and Nigma are richman builds…dont bother getting those for ur sorc this early
Shield: Spirit(try to roll for 35% FCR)
Weapon: Spirit—> Hoto—>if any luck a +5 blizz,20% fcr orb if resist aren,t an issue—> Death Fathom
Gloves: Chancie…fcr gloves only if you plan to pvp//dont need the mf
Boots: try to acquire dual or tri-resists boots with 20-25% MF on them
Belt: Crescendum(Set)—>Arachnid
Rings: try to get ring with resists + mf or fcr…+ skills if you dont need mf//resists
Amulet: (try to receive a Tal Rasha amy for free)…alternatively…Mara or a crafted amulet
gl getting your first torch
more seriously though…you gonna need multi-build for efficient farming
basic Start up builds for Non-Ladder
Blizz Sorc(MFing purpose)
Lightning Sorc(Hell Rush, Keys Farming purpose)
Smiter(Ubers killer)
advanced Builds(Enigma, Infinity, Sunder Charm required)
Blizz Sorc(All Purposes, except cow slapping)…Sunder Charm require
Lightning Sorc(All purposes, except cows slapping)…Infinity require
Hammerdin(All purposes, except cows slapping)…Enigma require
Lightning Fury Amazon(Cows Farmer for socketed whites)…require Infinity to speed it up drasticly as well as Griffon Eye’s Diadem to increase dmg by a whole 20%
Kicker(Smiter Alternative for Ubers but require more gear since the nerf to D-Talon)
Blade Fury Assassin: absurdly high mf % and still do a huge chunk of dmg(see gear/charm list for this build here)—> maxroll gg/d2/d2planner/8z0106vx
u only need the 8z0106vx to copy/paste after opening the planner on maxroll
big downside is the build require ton of very expensive gear to be effectively working well
EDIT: oh ya…Conan…for your sorc…get at least 50% block rate…dont bother with 75% on a sorc its too difficult to reach unless you can afford beyond expensive items
EDIT 2: Removed CoH from list…after some talk with Dizzy i came to an agreement in regard to that…but still dont approve nigma//ormus suggestion as those are richman choices
EDIT 3 and last: well…untill you get your hand on Ethereal Skullder,Craft Amy and Arach Belt…consider using Tal Amy + Tal Armor + Tal Belt
Blizz is a god awful ability, llama stuck with it because it is easy mode and has free end game damage with just a sunder charm. Since you’re on NL you’re not racing anyone so you should choose a different spec, but that decision is yours.
Meanwhile spirit is simply BiS caster shield, yes 156 is a lot of str, eventually you could wear enigma to become tankier and put less points into str, but Spirit gives you too much to pass up as a caster except in very niche circumstances such as a nova sorc.
COH is a noobtrap armor and should never be used. Enigma/Vmagi/Ormus/3Piece Tals are all much better options.
Ormus has no resist//mf and has very low defense…glass cannon armor…sure it boost blizz dmg trough the roof…but at the cost to very likely die
tal is bad(but if he got nothing else he may as well use it)
V-Skin only worth it for 200% FCR builds(for high lvl chars)
Amy: 20%
Arach 20%
Spirit 35%
Weapon 20%(if Fathom)…Hoto 40%
95% fcr(using Fathom)…105% reached ez with Hoto
he’d be 10% fcr off from the 105% BP if he use Fathom…which mean better off with CoH + rare ring with fcr to hit the 105%…its still +2 Skill point weither he use coh + rare ring or Viper + skill ring…the choice for CoH is better cause highter resists + dmr
edit 2: mf build dont reach 200% fcr just to note ahead
Enigma is BiS armor for even a sorc, costly, but still BiS even for a blizz sorc.
The other 3 armors were only pointed out as better options than COH. COH is the biggest noobtrap and it looks like you fell for it.
well gl while under conviction then…unless your mr whale with 10 sc with 20 life+5% all resists
EDIT: or rather…why would you suggest him enigma//ormus when you know he’s just starting…he’s not mr.richman and wont be for years
heck…i got lots of play time and i dont have a single 20/5 sc
Tal//V-Skin are an ok suggestion for a begginer but is quickly overtaken by CoH//Skullder which are more desirable for mfing as a new//decently advanced player
he be finding plenty HR b4 he get his first 20/5…let alone finding 9 more
Let’s see where we can go to make up resists.
MF/Resist Scs
Boots
FCR ring
FHR res small charm (think you need one to hit the 60BP)
Boots 30/10/3x/3x/3x (if you want)
The Ammy
It isn’t about being a whale, more about COH’s ONLY plus is the resists.
Vmagi/Ormus/Tals can all be socketed. Shako/Circlet/Fathom can all be socketed. Hoto can’t be socketed, but gives a TON of res tho.
Vmagi you lose 1 skill and a bit of res for that FCR which now frees you up to modify many items.
Ormus same (though I don’t really care for the armor)
Tals gives you MF a little bit of FCR in the combo, but 3 slots taken, but it hits your MF req’s pretty good AND resists, so you could focus more on skillers to make up the difference in damage.
You edited you post, I realize he isn’t rich but I did list the cheap options not only that but I could dump 50% of what he needs on him for free no issue.
20/5’s aren’t necessary lets stop talking about them.
Tal and Vskin both dominate COH and Skullders. Skully is a started, COH should never be made with no exception. Are you mixing up the order?
In order from when one starts.
Wealth
Skullder
Vmagi or Tal combo
Enigma
Again I’m not sure why you’re so focused on 20/5’s? You can make up resists in plenty of areas? You can also learn to not get hit which is what casters are good at.
vmagie has no mf
tal combo you likely mean amy,armor,belt
vs Skullder,Arach and Craft Amulet
both amy give +2
Arach and Skullder give an additional +2 skills each(Tal armor/belt give 0 but provide
some nice resists…can outdo skullder by 52% mf)…there a 20% fcr lost as 3 tal pieces provide up to 20%(less than craft amy + arach)…however i will give credit to tal armor piece to have slightly better resists as getting a craft amy with 2 skill, 20% AND also 15-20% all resists is rather difficult…and i suppose i should include tal amy +50 life/light res
so to resume
tal 3 piece has slighty more mf and is a bit more defensive
Skullder,craft amy and arach belt are more aggresive(highter dps)
finaly a lil recap for fcr for tal 3 piece
tal pieces 20%
hoto 40%
spirit 35%
and other 10% missing i guess from rare ring so Chancie can still be use and the 105% bp will be reach
Death Fathom not viable with Tal cause the 105% fcr will be lost
edit: well…i guess your right about CoH…both MF path and non-mf dont have it as best option
Cold sorc in particular blizz is best when you don’t have gear. With end game gear + sunder, lightning sorcs whether light or nova are tied with blizz. But we are talking about sorcs here, they are the strongest class in the game… you can’t go wrong with any build really whether fire or a going dual element. They are pretty much the only class that can clear an area naked…
Mr llama is a noob but im sure he uses standard cookie cutter builds. Yes it costs a lot of strength to equip a monarch but sorcs are arguably always going to be the squishiest class unless you go ES. End game sorc gear varies a bit. Enigma/CoH/Viper/ormus all have their uses…
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CoH has always been that one that looks appealing but if you break it down for it’s real value it is +2Skills and +65 resist (yes I know I’m ignoring the minor MF/Replenish/DR).
Enigma is actually a game changer though. +2SKills, FRW, Defense, Strength, Max Life 5%(minorish), Magic Find (while still having the DR). Yes you do miss out on the resists but the main thing overall that you can’t ever get around is that your shield is a monarch (except nova) and it takes 156 strenth to put on. 70ish attribute points saved by wearing enigma is crazy good.
Now, you’re 100% right fathom is clearly BiS along with even NW for the Blizz sorc (I personally don’t think the ability is good, but those items are clearly best).
But early on not everyone can just throw on an enigma for their Blizz sorc sure and for PvM or PvP we need some follow up next bests. Skullders can’t be it it is a good temp for sure but only provides really 1skill and magic find. The 3piece tals gives you a little FCR, and basically hits all the MF you need and has a good boost to resists it only lacks damage. The Vmagi has FCR and Resists and an open socket. It isn’t that it makes it a bad MF armor though, it gives you flexibility in your other pieces to add MF there if you choose to such as goldwrap chancies etc nagelrings etc.
Now, if you’re going to be rocking a Fathom(20) and Nightwing you’re pretty set on damage, you can obviously eventually get more, but they’re great where they’re at. With 3piece tals (20) and spirit (35) you need mages + a FCR ring. Your FCR ring can balance you out in resists + FCR, you can wear trangs instead of mages. Your small charms can balance out your resists as well they don’t have to be god rolls either. MF/Res FHR/res, you also can ignore cold/PSN resist if you want to as they’re not the most crucial IMO (pvm) just watch out for the frost nova on death. There is a lot of swapping out you can do since it is PvM as well. 3 Piece tals for sure can still be used with fathom btw, remember you’re simply hotswaping gear. 3piece(20) fathom(20) spirit(35) trang(20) FCR ring. That has Damage, MF, Res with an open ring,helm,boots slot.
Cold always did good damage for free early game because of CM.
Cold Sunder extended the time where you could keep up and now even do end game numbers in damage and become more versatile.
Blizzard itself is a dogwater ability. You’re waiting for stuff to die rather than killing it and the cool down nerfs your speed.
This has a lot of people trapped, especially those watching llama (nothing bad) he was racing for first 99 it would be hard to hotswap builds and switch over the light in the middle of that while maintaining speed in that race. Once you follow the path of fathom + nightwing + cold sunder it is very hard to flip that around and go cresent moon + infinity + griffon + light sunder. It just isn’t that easy to hotswap out all of that gear.
You can for sure go wrong with dual element IMO especially now that sunders exist. Cold is DECENT for longer now, fire is better, light is still best (IMO). However cold is the only real char that can clear well with poverty gear + sunder. The rest need more than that to compete.
COH always has and always will be useless, you will get much more versatility out of most other armors available. Again the only real lead that COH has over other armors is the big boost to resists which doesn’t make it worth wearing IMO.
cold resist not too important true…but poison can be irritating at times if resists for it is too low(force go town or be stuck at 1 hp for a while)
using fcr gloves mean rip 40% from chancie(crucial for mf build)…but for a serious dmg build thats a different matter
edit: actually…you meant using fcr gloves with tal so can use death fathom for the 30% cold dmg boost ? well…technicly thats an option…in such case tal pieces would be roughly 18% above skullder,arach and craft amy while enabling fathom at the cost of loosing chancie mf
edit 2: gonna cut the talk here for now…Durance 3 is currently terrorize…HR farm + improve treasure from Meph here i come :D(+likely hitting 97 on my blizz sorc(1/4 of a bar to go)
Cold nova blast from dead enemies can really be deadly. Psn is for sure annoying if I’m farming a specific area, I actually sometimes swap a row to antidotes.
Using FCR gloves does drop you 40, correct. Tals is like 150ish MF alone. You probably IMO should wear nightwing, but you could get a shako on. You do have 3 sockets to play with which is 75MF. Shako can be 50. Gheeds up to 40. Travs up to 50. Nagel ring up to 30. 7MFscs. If you want some crazy 600MF build you’re not going to reach it, but I don’t think having 600MF is worthwhile anyways. You’d sacrafice far too much kill speed to obtain it.
If we’re just saying 2/20 (expensive) but for sake of argument and that the 2/20 is plain. But if we’re buying a 2/20 why aren’t we wearing an enigma? Which is cool. Enigma/Arach/2/20 is good can keep the chancies and probably drop the FCR ring and go for more damage (I like to keep it cuz FCR rings can have killer resists). But in the scenario with skullder/arach/craftammy/fathom/NW that is a collection of zero resist with the exception of Fathom. Regardless at the point in which you have a 2/20, enigma replaces skullder hands down.
Have fun in durance btw!
well not my luck…no baal run ongoing to farm dur 3 in :S…and only 1 that was up died 5 mins ago(bad region which caused tele lag :S)
skullder is not 0 mf btw…it goes up to 123% at lvl 99
Sorry I edited my post just now. I was talking about resist with that build
Skullder(should be enigma)/craftammy/arach is no resists. Yes I know that ammy can get some good ones, but that would be pretty rare and costly and I feel like we should be at least a little bit cookie cutter in our build. A godly 2/20/Str/Res/Life/Mana paired with a 10FCR/Str/Res/Life/Mana ring could realllllly change up a build lol. Even a 2/20 might be hard to find, but at least it is a little bit basic.
Can never go wrong with a Frozen Orb/Hydra sorc for NL or offline. Since Hydra got its buff, its a great build to tackle big areas like Chaos or WSK, even with budget gear.
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Very low budget, low budget, normal, a bit rich, rich?
With or without sander charm?
As far as spirit goes, yes it takes a lot of strength upfront, but you can get things that add strength to your character later. Just respec.
It’s really the best way to go for a basic MFing sorc. And once you have an efficient MFer, everything else is wide open for you.
it’s BiS even for sorc
probably should edited that out of my second post…already came to an understanding with dizzy hours ago…although its rich players territory to be use as a bis(likely in the thousands $$$) and still not recommended for at least 95% of the player base due to cost
cheap? hydraballer + stonytomb
$$$? self-wearing infinity novaES + anywhere basically