Zon hurts for mobility, and is more dependent on ias for overall DPS than other classes - and bow zon loses the off hand slot too, and has more exacting gear Tetris
So make Evade add 1% frw and fbr per point (for javazons) and Dodge add 1% ias. This might help them be more than one point wonders too if it helps you make a breakpoint
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Absolutely agree. This should have been done long time ago.
first change that would actually work
they opened the “Hard point” concept. happy to see a good idea NOT using it.
Definitely agree with adjusting the FCR tables for Amazons and FRW from evade.
The FCR is iconic! It is the slowest teleport speed in the whole game!
I have an elite bowazon and she has 0% fcr. I’d give her 10% if I could find an fcr dual leech ring but that is kind of out of my price range.
I went with a 3os faster run walk circlet, raven frost, a dual leech ring, atmas scarab amulet, and laying of hands. Also, I needed nosferatu’s coil to hit exactly the right attack speed breakpoint with GMB faith. No room for fcr anywhere!
Chest is enigma of course.
What are you using on swap? Could try wiz spike + spirit
Agree with evade +1% FRW. Would be a nice to have.
Disagree on IAS. It’s easy to hit max attack speed with fanaticism.
Must have is some kind of overall damage output buff for bowazons. If fully decked out, they should be able to do p8 96 TZs just as well as javazons, imo.
Well the intention was to give zon more flexibility
Right now you can optimize it, but - as I mentioned - the gear Tetris is far more exacting than other builds, you pretty much are locked into one set of options to hit your mark
Being able to spot some ias from +skills and then spend a few more hard points to reach a breakpoint would let you flex out a slot for something different that suited your preferred playstyle, and that’d make a big difference
I am using Harmony on swap and doing fine. No need for Enigma, so I am rocking Forti for damage boost.
Bowzon doesn’t need more mobility, she needs more damage. She is outclassed by Javazon, Warlock, CE Necro, Trapsin, Hammerdin and most Sorc builds and she sucks fighting act bosses.
And Strafe should be reduced to a maximum of 5 arrows.
I use a harmony bow focused act 1 merc with my zon. They both cruise around the map and just take every mob down. I wouldn’t be opposed to a buff, never felt like it was needed however.
Bowas need badly both IAS and FRW from the passive skills in order to be more flexible with the gear, especially with the armor and the main weapon. For example at the moment Windforce with protector jewel (50-611) outdamages twice the Faith bow (60-309), but you cannot make use of that advantage because you need to sacrifice a lot from your offweapon gear bonuses (Fortitude) or merc bonuses (to replace Act2 merc with Act1 merc) for IAS stacking. And mobility wise you need to fight against 5% proc chance from Mania or to swap constantly to Harmony until the end of the world for FRW stacking.
As a dedicated bowa player I confirm that the IAS and FRW passive skill buffs which the author of the thread is suggesting are accurate and will lead directly to huge damage gain for the class, especially for the bowas which need it most. I hope the devs will listen to that and will implement it as soon as possible.
Apparently the other classes don’t exist so fat chances.
They do exist and for sure many changes are needed for them as well but the thread here is dedicated to what the title says.
I 've been a zon for 15 years… still haven’t exhausted all the possibilities
the way Bzons are right now they can offer very unique gameplay, PvE
it might seem strange but I wouldn’t change anything personally
the only thing I find irrational in the game is that any enigma char can TP right at you and knock you… that’s the only thing for me… oh, the community is also irrational, obviously…
There are a lot of possibilities, true, but you are limited and shorhanded when it comes to end game descent builds. 1% FRW and IAS from the passive skills would be great QoL and will solve that issue.
20 years ago I wouldn’t even think of such request but many things have changed since then and this skill buff addresses the needed improvements quite perfectly.
I’m on a bowazon kick so bonus change: Mavina set needs an update too to bring it to the level of utility of Horazon, which is great, and IK and Tal’s, which both have their utility. Ideally class sets should set you up to be hell viable, but not as optimal as your expensive endgame set.
Mavs is close, but it’s held back by being pigeonholed into cold arrow, which isn’t a great build for general play. A few simple changes would fix all that:
Bow - full set +1.5 max dmg per clvl, ctc Nova becomes 20% cb. Physical stats are useful for every bow build.
Belt - add 5% life leech at 3 pieces, cf IK
Gloves - 20% cold damage becomes 250% damage, cf full set horazon
Then maybe also add a set mat jav so javazon could also be supported, since you can’t wield both weapons at the same time anyway. Make it a “baby Titans” with full set bonus -20% enemy light res so you can pair it with a sunder in Hell a la Tstroke. The phys dmg on the set would still help with leeching.
That would nerf strafe’s ability to be used against groups by reducing its effective fire rate. 10 arrows at 2 frames per shot is roughly 1 second, which is sufficiently short without risking of dying due to strafe lock.
Faith has more off-weapon ED, attack speed, attack rating/ITD and more +damage from other items like charms (and a protector stone in tiara). Windforce while high damage on paper, only reaches full benefit at level 99 too.
Faith is actually on par with WF when it comes to pure multishot (against terror zone targets which WF would otherwise find hard to reach 95% chance to hit) even if WF is better for guided arrow and strafe, again assuming a level 99 bowazon. Faith really shines for bowazons that are like level 75-95 range assuming you have supporting max damage from other places. That said, I wouldn’t mind seeing a small buff for faith (up to level 16 fanaticism?) AFTER fixing the ed/max jewel bug.
Swapping constantly to Harmony is a pretty easy play loop: want to attack? Use your main. want to move? Use harmony. It’s really not that bad.
Yes, I think some 2-set piece bonuses with the belt and the gloves would be cool to see.
M’avina’s pigeonholed into cold I don’t have too much of a problem with, but the bow needs some heavy buffs. I would like the bow to have higher proc change on nova and a higher level magic arrow to live up to the “M’avina’s Caster” name.
At the moment for the multishot build with act 2 merc you cannot reach 7 frame IAS without Mania BOS pre-buff even with Faith on main because you need one of the slots in the helmet for the protector jewel and the maximum IAS which you can accumulate is 80 while you need 95 in order to be able to reach the 7 frame on your own. So the Harmony as a swap remains an option only for the Strafe build.