There are cube recipes to upgrade every rune all the way to Zod. There should be recipes to dismantle runes into lower runes.
What should be reasonable cost for such a recipe
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Zod and Cham would become too powerful if you were able to fully break into the prerequisite. But I fully agree that runes should be able to be broken down. When tearing down a rune you should probably only get 1x of the previous rune and I think I’d be cool with that. Those runes that take 3x to cube up, should probably still suffer the loss when breaking it down.
Edit: As for the recipe I don’t know. I don’t ever usually even have the gems to cube up. No clue what cost you’d want to throw on it to break them down. Flawless gem + tp scroll + id scroll
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Why not?
I approve.
Also, the upgrade requirement for gems? Make it a requirement to downgrade instead. A 1:1 downgrade of course. Don’t need to be breaking down a Zod into 8 Ber runes.
As far as upgrading, just make it 2x of the lesser rune to upgrade for all runes, without the gem requirement. Even at 2x across the board, people aren’t going to be trying to make a Ber rune by hoarding and cubing Tal/Ral/Ort/Thul runes.
Full teardown would make Zod prices astronomical. There definitely needs to be a higher cost at the top compared to lower runes.
and tbh i see no problem with that
chams and zods are damn rare
And so damn useless. It would greatly devalue jah/ber which I don’t think is a good thing. And while I do wish there were more uses for cham/zod I don’t think feeding them into making a bunch of bers or jahs to be a great use for them either. Meanwhile if you’re stuck with one of them being able to break them down to a rune that you actually need isn’t a bad thing, but using a zod to get 4 jah would drastically change jah/ber worth.
Drop rates amoung runes has high disparities. They are no where near 2x as rare in each step up.
When Rune 17 TC, Zod, ironically, is 2.6x as rare as a Cham. Cham is only 1.5x as rare as a Jah in the same roll and Ber ends up being rarer than Jah.
Can we agree that 1 Zod >>> 1 Jah as far as probability of drops is concerned?
It takes 4 Jah to make 1 Zod
So the value of a dismantled Zod sits somewhere between 1 and 4 Jah
Maybe something like this:
1 Zod = 1 Cham + 1 Lo
1 Cham = 1 Jah + 1 Ohm
Even math aside. I think people underestimate the amount of Zod/Cham sitting around and the breakdown of what would happen if they could be broken down and fully split. Honestly no rune would be more valuable than perhaps an ohm or even vex. Not that their price is specifically important, but you would cancel out the one strong value common currency type item even though it isn’t a common currencey.
It could probably work like that. I think most people would be excited to find a ZOD even if the rate was every time you broke down a rune you only got 1 of the rune lower than it and nothing else. Would mean that if you found zod/cham you could almost usually always get what you wanted.
The recipe could be ladder only
The above example would equate a Zod to Jah + Lo + Ohm. Is this too cheap or too expensive of a conversion?
The equation for said conversion would:
N = (N-1)+(N-5)
where N= rune number.
Anything lesser than N=2(N-1) is probably okay. Your recipe seems fine to me. Zod could breakdown to jah ohm vex which would be REALLY solid if you found a Zod early ladder, but wouldn’t kill the price of jah/ber being highly valued.
Agree
Thats why…
1 zod > 1 cham > 1 jah > 1 ber and so on
Anything more than that will banalize some RWs
For anything Pul and under:
Since these upgrades are 3 to 1:
N = 2(N-1)
where N= rune number.
Even an equal breakdown may be acceptable here at the right reagent costs. For example:
6pgems + N = 3(N-1)
where N= rune number.
This can be “problematic” depending on the recipe
1 ort = 2 rals
His concept wasn’t bad. I personally don’t care. I just don’t like that people can find something so rare, and it is sort of like wasted luck you know? Sure Zod has some uses, so does cham, but at least a breakdown would give it some value. Finding a tyreals is at least cool, but a zod for some reason is just lackluster in most situations.
Cubing runes, and a rune “hierarchy” has never made sense, not in the way that it’s intuitively obvious for gems upgrading from chipped-perfect. Aside from arbitrarily designated drop rates, there’s no intuitive hierarchy to runes. El is 1 and Zod is 33, the rest of the runes were placed somewhere along that line, and with no discernible pattern other than “well, it has to go somewhere”. Even a deep look at the strongest runewords in the game will show that a majority of the runes used are “junk” runes, but in conjunction with a high rune, sometimes multiple high runes; again, “high rune” is an arbitrary assignment.
That’s why nothing involving runes and the cube, going up or down, makes any lick of sense. It’s a plainly flawed system on the whole. The game would be better off with dramatically less variance between which runes drop, when a rune drops, as well as a much lower rune drop rate. Right now, any single player is flooded with useless “junk” runes while they try to find a build enabling high rune. What it should be is a much lower chance for any rune to drop, but each rune has a 1:33 chance of rolling when a rune does drop. Without it’s randomly assigned rarity, the Zod in BotD would be as valuable as the El in BotD.
But that’s all a pipe dream.
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This is especially true for SSF or offline play.
I feel like largely with SSF unless you’re specifically hunting zod/cham can’t you LK on P7 and kind of target farm runes pretty hard? Obviously RNG is RNG but I think that method is fairly solid to where you can get an enigma over a couple days. Didn’t actually try to do the math on it tho.
Edit: Enigma through cubing.
i dont think it is…“bad”
i mean, if i get N>N-1 is already good enough for me
Need better runewords for Zod and Cham so that people wouldn’t want to break them apart.
these dev just dont have the heart and soul of d2
the new druid runeword METAMORPHOSIS expose this , now d2 druid turn out in d4 druid 
d2re turn out in hot garbage more and more 
, this is so disappointing 
and these streamer shell always try pushing something
this is sad