I don’t think they are, and I agree with them. Grief is good (maybe even best) for straight up flat damage, but that’s about all it does. Other runewords also do a ton of damage, along with having a bunch of other useful attributes. Grief is not the end all be all like people like you try to spout to others, who then repeat that, and the myth is perpetuated.
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Grief is pretty strong. There might be special cases where a different weapon is better, but in most cases, Grief is going to be the BiS.
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you clearly dont get it. Nerfing a BiS item will help other items get used. But by doing that, we are indirectly nerfing melee classes, so I propose we buff melee classes at the same time.
When one item is such an outlier that it is an entire tier above other items, that kills item diversity.
Wrong you clearly don’t get it. Taking something away from people that they had for 20 years will just make them quit. Nerfing an item to the weakest classes in the game that was a bandaid to fix bad design isn’t going to make them use other weapons. They will just play other games.
If you make it to where builds are weaker in D2R than original D2 then the company failed and it will feel bad to the players and their time is wasted.
Sorry if they nerf even 1 item I quit and many other players will too. Not gonna waste my time and it won’t be Diablo anymore. You just can’t nerf items that have been a certain way for ALL of Diablo. Doesn’t work and we won’t stand for it.
You want to add new runewords more powerful than Grief and buff Melee cool. You can’t nerf items though destroying the game. This won’t be D2 resurrected if you nerf items. This is a deal breaker and hard no. There are other games out there if they ruin this one and I’m playing another game right now as I type this. We don’t need to mess up D2R.
Anyone suggesting Nerfs isn’t a Diablo fan and doesn’t care about the games health.
OK now I know you’re talking about this from an emotional and irrational level. 20 years nostalgia goggles. jesus. I mean I played this game for almost that long and I don’t wear nostalgia goggles like you. This game was flawed even at its peak.
Irrational players like YOU may quit, but I could care less. The game as a whole will improve.
No I’m not talking from an emotional level, I’m talking from a factual logical level. If you nerf items in D2R from the original D2 then it isn’t D2R anymore. No one wants to play a worse version of their build from D2. How can you not understand that. Especially when melee is bad and Grief isn’t that strong.
Nothing to do with nostalgia it has to do with correct and incorrect way to have D2R. Anyone suggesting nerfs isn’t a Diablo fan and doesn’t care about the games health. Gonna add you to my ignore list. Not wasting my time with trolls that want to nerf and ruin the game.
You want to add in a variety of stronger items than Grief and buff underused talents, fine. You can’t nerf anything though. Players wont’ stand for it and quit. Nerfing items doesn’t help build diversity because it feels bad to play the game.
Grief is boring. Please strengthen Rare items
other Runwords also boring.
You can still play Classic where Rare Items rain supreme. It is actually more challenging, but I won’t play it until they give us a shared stash.
Fact - you are the minority in this matter. Most of us enjoy the game the way it is and have done so for the past 20 years. If you don’t like it you can leave, the overwhelming majority of us don’t have a problem with the game and will continue to play it as is.
On the issue of Grief - it is not the most powerful melee weapon in the game, not even close. It is just the easiest powerful weapon to create/obtain which is why everyone uses it.
A very high rolled EBOTDZ actually puts out more damage, and then there are rare eth repair weapons that make runewords and uniques look like the short swords your lvl 1 characters start with. Ethereal Death runeword gets an honorable mention as well, I had a charger build pushing 40,000 pure phys damage with an eth death decapitator.
There are other options available, it’s just that the lazy/entitled cry babies don’t want to put in the effort to find them.
Grief needs a nerf not bc magics/rares/uniques cant stand against it
It needs a nerf bc it is the best melee/phys rw but not the most expensive one
oh you cry baby, you wanna destroy melee once and for all?
No, melee needs a revamp but on skills
you clearly dont know what you are talking about. EBotd 415% zerker may give out slightly higher MAX damage, but for minimum damage and average damage, Grief is way better. MUCH higher min dmg.
Every old school Barb and Zealer who uses melee have noted significant improvement in clear speed from using Grief over their Ebotd.
Lol “clear speed” - if you’re using grief to clear pvm areas then you’re already clueless. I understand how grief works. A max rolled Ebotdz > max rolled Griefz. The Griefz will put out a more consistent average per hit, but the Ebotdz will put out more damage even with low rolls. Most melee pvp pros choose a max rolled Ebotdz over Griefz for a reason.
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By far the godliest items in d2r are the rare and magic ones. I’m 1000% cool if blizzard wants to nerf my near perfect grief into a toothpick if they give me a 40ias/2soc/eth rep/fools/300% dmg rare axe as a small consolation gift.
Botter wont go for those. Botter goes for runes, specific uniquids that are worth something as it is easier to identify it without ID it. Doesn’t matter if it is bots or players the inventory space is the same. They are not going to pick up every single rare out there hoping for a 1 in 1 million drop. That bot is going to fill up in like 5 minutes.
Im confused about what point you are making here. Does a botters knowledge of the value of rare items and configuration settings have something to do with the power level of rare items?
Botters wont pick up rare items, the variation is too great and most of them comes out to be trash. You would fill your inventory up in a span of 20-30 minutes based on the amount of rare drops for me on regular farming. When I mean fill its filled as in all 4-5 tabs full. People like to leave things unid.
I hope I am just not understanding your point. Are you saying rare items need to be buffed because the current bots are not able to farm them efficiently?
Rare items are the ones I am most interested in. Ill drop a tals armor on the ground to make room for a rare eth zerker axe baal drop.
I am saying botter do not go for those rare items. There are too many stats to look for. If rare eth zerker axe drop, I would keep the tals armor there is way too many variation on the rolls for it to be decent. Its got to have the ED and fools mod for it even to be consider useful. Chance of you finding a eth zerker that is also rare, that got fool’s mod and 350+ ED. You have a higher chance of winning a lottery.
I agree with this point but nerfs are unacceptable.
There is a reason why we gamble on gear, we are looking for that GG Godly item that is worth 20 HR’s or might be priceless.
Side note if some of the people that complain about Grief or Runewords gambled some on rare/magic items they could buy any runeword or item they want if it rolls great. The most valuable items in game will always be rare/magic items
I think you could id 1000 eth zerker axes and the total value would be similar to 1000 tal armors. You just need 5-10 decent ones with 250ed and fools. If you find one with literally any ias repair mod or 2 sockets you are way ahead.
That’s not even the point though. Obviously you should be picking up both if you can. Just botters are not because they are not smart enough to figure out a way to fo it efficiently. No problem there in my opinion and nothing to do with buffs or nerfs needed
The chances of you finding a eth zerker that is 250+ ed with 2 os and fools is none existent. Also that still doesnt beat some of the runewords out there. Ebotd / grief / death.