Yea but there are already BiS Rare/Magic shields that are better than Spirit runeword or unique shields. That’s why I said Jmod which is a Blue Magic Shield and often BiS for Sorc, Pally and even Zon or other builds.
Again just think people really don’t know enough about Rares or items used in many builds that are just better than Runewords/Uniques. End gear most slots are filled with Rares usually.
These ultra rare items are the most powerful which is a good thing. People use Runewords and Uniques till they can afford them.
PS - + skills isn’t required in making an item BiS. A lot of BiS items don’t have skills on it.
Exactly their power is fine since they are the strongest items in game and their ultra rarity is what makes them so desired which is also good.
I believe what the OP really wants and what most of us want is for Melee to be stronger. Which I already said Melee needs buffs and new Runewords to increase their clear speed and AoE. Grief and other weapons doesn’t fix the problem with melee.
Always check
Rare helms (fools mod helms have some niche uses)
rare pelts (5 nado)
Rare barb helms (5 bo)
Rare berserker axes (fools eth rep)
Rare mallets (fools eth rep)
Rare circlets (2skill/20fcr/frw/str/life/res)
Rare rings (fcr for caster leech for melee)
Rare belts (fhr/str/life/res belts)
Rare boots ( tri res are BiS for practically everything)
Rare gloves ( potentially +skill and ias)
Rare amulets ( 2 skill / fcr / life / str / dex / res)
Rare shrunken heads ( some of these can be BiS with the right mods)
Idk there’s alot. Could start listing blues and gray items you should always pick up as well. Some of these items are so valuable you could gear entire characters, and potentially accounts with them. I often wonder how many gg rares have been vendored by casual players that didn’t know what they had was OP.
Exactly and many times people could be passing over a Blue item that is more Godly and has higher value than all their equipment due to mods and sockets.
Maybe this video will help some people out which goes over Trophy items and Godly Magic items such as Jmod and some of the things you listed. So people have more items to be on the lookout for that can fetch many Soj’s or HR’s.
Personally I really want a Bahamut’s Diadem of Life Everlasting for my ES sorc which would be godly and yes, it’s a Blue Magic Circlet that is BiS. Go figure.
I have a feeling that people get caught up in the generic Runeword/Unique item hype because they are common. Without realizing that the more powerful items can be Blue Magic or Rare 6 point items. They just never heard of them or see them, or literally one dropped and never picked it up because they didn’t know.
most diablo players don’t really understand the item grind or rarity… they just think “oh i have shako and enigma now i am good at game” and there’s sooooo much more.
Heck even blue vendor items can be near BiS, or at least very powerful. Things like 3jav/bow with 20 ias gloves, or jeweler (4socket) armors with 80-100 life (whale)
Grief isn’t that strong and melee is already the weakest class in the game. How about we buff melee and give them stronger weapons so they can have better clear speed and be as strong as other builds.
PS - nerfing items would ruin the game and be a slippery slope. I’d just quit if they started any nerfs to runewords or items. Hard no for most of us.
It really doesn’t. Grief barely is a bandaid for most of the melee problems and in many situations other weapons are better. Nerfing an item that isn’t that good for an already weak class that has problems is terrible. Glad we don’t have you as a designer.
Honestly wish the people that want to nerf things just play other games. It isn’t how you handle anything especially in an old game. You just would make people quit if you start making builds weaker than they were in original D2. I don’t even use Grief but if you nerf it I’m out. You can’t change these items. Period! Just make new items or buff underused talents, which is their plans.
Seriously hope they never listen to this vocal minority that want to nerf items ruining the game. It’s just gross and most of us won’t stand for it. Just stop! Anyone who says nerf any item just isn’t a fan of Diablo or the health of the game.
You’re joking right? Even a fully loaded Eth BOTD or Eth 400% Enhanced Damage rare weapon can’t take on Grief due to how its +damage modifier is added before calculations.
YOU won’t stand for it, not most of us. You can leave if you want.
Dude, you realize that buffing everything while keeping the difficulty / monsters of the game the same is just power creep problem that D3 had. Some nerfs that are extreme outliers are necessary.
I agree buffing > nerfing majority of the time, but few nerfs like Spirit or Grief is necessary for a healthy state of the game. The IRONY you don’t want nerfs but all buffs and you think you are standing for the health of the game.
I can guarantee you that if you start nerfing any items “MOST” players will leave and not stand for it. Sorry that’s a deal breaker if you ruin the game and what made it a timeless classic. No one wants to play a weaker version of their build from D2 in D2R because items were nerfed. They will just quit. Which is why they said they aren’t nerfing anything.
There is a tiny minority that want nerfs and they don’t know they are talking about obviously. If you nerf any items you aren’t a Diablo fan and definitely don’t care about the health of the game.
No I’m not joking. Grief isn’t that strong and doesn’t address all the issues melee has. It was a bandaid that is good in some builds but isn’t some overpowered item that a few people make it out to be.
If anything I’d make a stronger version of Grief in 2.4 and many other stronger melee Runewords. Melee definitely needs it.
In an old game like D2R it’s the ONLY way. You can’t go back and change items that have been a certain way for 20 years and make them weaker. It doesn’t work! You can’t change existing items, you can add more in new ladder seasons though. You just can’t take away.
No it isn’t! If you nerf anything it will feel terrible. Doesn’t matter if it’s enigma, grief or any item. You can’t take away something that was earned and not have massive backlash.
Nerfing an item in Diablo is like going to work and your boss walks up to you and tells you they appreciate your years of hard work but we are reducing your pay by 20%. You are going to quit. Since they don’t value your time and they took away something that you had.
You can’t nerf items that have been a certain way for 20 years that people hunted down and earned. You can’t do it. People will just quit because it feels bad to play a worse version of your build from Diablo 2. It’s not actually D2R anymore if you start nerfing items.
If they ever nerf even 1 item, I will uninstall that day. It’s a slippery slope and it’s not D2R anymore. Many will quit. Just stop asking for nerfs if you care about the game please and thanks. Don’t ruin this game.
Yet many players use other weapons that are better for their builds than Grief. Sorry it’s not this end all be all melee weapon that you need. It doesn’t have a lot of good mods like crushing blow, IAS etc.
Many people will use Last Wish over Grief. Some builds will use shaeled weapons or IAS jeweled ones to hit breakpoints. Grief is an okay weapon that fixes some melee issues but it’s no where close to OP.
Sorry just disagree, with that said gonna break and play some games instead of the forums. Good luck.
Which is why we need stronger melee weapons than Grief and some spicy new Runewords that maybe give melee some good AoE damage.
Then you are clueless or just blatantly refuse to accept reality.
Ask every melee fanatic player out there, whether Grief clear speed vs. their rare or ebotd clear speed triumphs. Just do a google search for all the older D2 forums and all of them have admitted that Grief is just flat out superior.
Are there people using other weapons? Yes. Why? Due to style points, some want to simply try something different, others appreciate Last Wish’s crushing blow for ubers but even smiters admit that Grief > Last Wish generally.
It is THE melee weapon unfortunately. It doesn’t have crushing blow but the raw damage numbers, and 40% ias on Phase blade means every class except fury druid can reach its last breakpoint.
Look, I want melee buffed as much as you. But not nerfing Grief isn’t doing any favors for item diversity for melee classes. Nerf Grief and buff Melee at same time.
Then just buff them and don’t touch anything. It’s not complicated. No nerfs ever! It’s game breaking and players won’t tolerate it.
Nerfing grief doesn’t create item diversity. That is just stupid. It just will make people quit. This was covered in that stupid nerf grief/enigma thread. People need to stop making these sad threads that would just destroy the core of Diablo. Sorry it helps no one and most certainly doesn’t help build or item diversity. Glad you aren’t a game designer.
I mean… Botters wouldn’t make a cent if peoples weren’t impatient like you seem to be. Because y’all would be actually doing real trading or putting the time farming for them. But people want instant gratification
Rare items have higher theoretical power but the good ones are so rare the likelihood of you finding one in any reasonable time period is essentially zero. Most of the best ones on old bnet were found by bots and duped, not found by players.
Old school classic D2 was the best loot model tbh, where rares were reasonable to obtain, the best endgame gear, but there was also really rare stuff you could find, while everything was more balanced with uniques that were good or suited for specific things (like tarnhelm mf).
99% of the time