People love to throw out this “Game is ruined or purists lost” nonsense.
I log on and I still see Blizzard sorcs and hammerdins running around, people looking for Grief bases and Jah/Ber runes.
People on the forum love to create something out of nothing. For all the changes the game has undergone, it still feels more like D2:LoD than not, and it could have easily gone the other way.
People who want radical things for the game routinely get on the forums and act as if some change to bring a class spec out of the dirt means their wishlist is coming around the corner. They’ve been saying that for a year now. Just put these dudes on ignore so you can retain some sanity.
From my perspective, the classic gameplay has been preserved, as I’m still running around as a light sorc, zappin’ mobs and not finding crap. True story.
Then why are you posting here? You do care or you wouldn’t have your panties in a bunch.
Absolutely wrong. D2R was released as the exact same game as LoD with a few qol’s. It was definitely promised to be “the same game you know and love”. The ladder patch 2.4 and the new 2.5 patch changed the game into something else.
They have saved versions of the game before the patches, all they really have to do is give us the game as it was before the 2.4 ladder patch. It’s really not as complicated as you make it sound.
The best times I had in D2:LoD after 1.10 was getting online, doing some baal runs and talking in TS or just joining some pub duel games for fun.
It pretty much feels impossible now with D2R and the crappy modern gamer online community. 2.5 makes it worse. PvP was already dumbed down before.
I’m not saying D2R is ruined for everybody by now, but it’s getting worse for my personal experience and I know people that feel similar. It’s not even that they want to change things, but how they change things.
Blizzard is just breaking more things than fixing them, not only in D2R but in all their games.
Why do people keep saying this?
I mean if there would be a LoD mode I could play D2 full screen at 4k, with D2 you get a whopping 800x600.
When I bough D2r I did it to play Diablo 2 Remaster as advertised, so LoD at 4k with great graphics.
And I am not against QoL improvements or even new gear or rebalance if done by capable dev’s that actually love the game itself, just not the crap these dev’s are spewing.
These changes are doing this as well, however instead of having players moving from Resurrected Mode to LoD Mode they go from Resurrected Mode to playing another game.
Yes and no. I’m not spending all my time here, but I did indeed stop playing but I come back to these forums. Why? Because I want this game to be good. It means a lot to me. I want it to be the way I want it, while still letting other people have their way, too.
I don’t play the game, but I absolutely would if they brought back a legacy mode, and that’s the point. I’m not alone in that endeavor. You think it splits player base, but then say we’re a minority… so, by your own admission, the player base wouldn’t even be split that much. It would also bring back a lot of players like me who quit playing because of the changes. More players is a good thing, especially if they play online. This means Blizzard will see more people playing, and have a reason to continue keeping the game alive.
It may not seem like many to you right now that have quit, but even if it’s 5%, what about the next patch? What if it runs off 5% of the people? Then the next one? Eventually, the game is left with sub-one-thousand people, and they no longer see a need to maintain it anymore. Sure, maybe a bit of exaggeration, but the point is, having us players back would only benefit the game.
As a community, people here should be asking for a split-server. We should be about giving people choices, and not restricting people to play one way.
Sorry, I agree with you now, see my other posts. Personally, I like most of the live changes, but there are exceptions to this for sure (power creep, mostly).
I hope the dev’s can accommodate us this feature in an online capacity as opposed to a merely single-player one.
Please try to be nice to the dev’s, trying to accommodate every whim of a very disparate D2 community is bound to upset somebody, hence the need for an LoD option.
Honestly if they do Resurrected, LoD, and Classic while enabling TCP/IP for online mods, they don’t have to try at all.
Yeah I get you dude, this community is very argumentative and not logical at all to the point of being selfish. I know how annoying it is so I am mindful not to be one myself. This is why I understand best option is Resurrected, LoD, and Classic while enabling TCP/IP mods.
TCP/IP would be awesome but it’s never coming back after what happened with the cracked Tech Alpha. Maybe they’ll add it back when D4 is out and D2R is in maintenance mode but probably not.
I think the only hope at this point is waiting for the project at Phrozen Keep that would allow importing 3D assets into original D2, but who knows how far away that is, probably years down the road unfortunately.
Some quality mature discussion in this thread, so kudos to those that came before me. I’ll just add one quick bit of information I find interesting.
When I decided to respond to this thread, I was intending to chime in with a quick few personal opinions and comments. I wanted to double check my memory as to the release date of original D2, so I hopped over to Google real quick to check that before I referenced it incorrectly. As I was typing in the search bar, recommendations began to auto-populate. Would you believe that the second auto-populated Google search question, that apparently many people have asked Google previously, is “Does Diablo 2: Resurrected include original Diablo 2?”
I get that every person has their own interpretation and expectations when it comes to releasing a game in 2021 that’s a “remaster” of a game from 2000. Some people want it to be an exact replica of the original, but with modern graphics. Other people want it to be that, but maybe a few general QoL changes that don’t affect the mechanics of the game. And then there is a third group of players who constantly want patches, content changes, balancing, and all the other bells and whistles of a modern “live” game that keeps their experience “fresh.” I’m not going to assert that anybody’s stance is “correct” or “wrong.” There’s validity in all three points of view. What I will say, is that it’s undeniable that a large amount of people were very interested in knowing if buying D2:R would let them remain in that first group. One could logically extrapolate confidently that they wanted that to be the case. For that reason alone, I think the OP’s request is absolutely justified, and I don’t believe the request is some off the wall idea that wouldn’t be welcomed by a not-insignificant number of players (and potential players.)
I’ve given D2:R a fair shake for the past year and a half, but it’s not for me. Do I love playing with these graphics? Of course! Nobody in their right mind says, “Can I have some of those retro Minecraft 8-bit graphics instead of this?” And that’s what makes the decision to abandon D2:R and go back to that all the more telling. There is a large number of us who are so completely against what they’re doing to the game they touted as “the exact same game” that we’d rather play the version that looks like an Etch-a-Sketch powered by a Pentium potato. Well, that, and the servers haven’t gotten any better in the past two decades either. The only person I ever play with is my spouse, playing on a PC literally 10 feet away. That we have to play online, and get randomly disconnected every 45 minutes or try to play through desync’d monsters, is deplorable. Even if they did implement a true blue faithful version of the classic LoD as this thread requests, I’d still be tempted to just go back for the TCP/IP.
I feel like people need to be more vocal about it. Personally, I made this topic (before OP):
I was hoping it will get more attention but people rather argue against changes we request when they already know changes are happening, instead of asking for this.
I personally find a certain irony in so many people vocally falling back on some form of the “don’t split the community” argument. Like, think about it for a second. The exact same people who will, at every opportunity, boast about how much knowledge and understanding of the underlying mechanics and numbers of the game they have… will absolutely abandon the mathematical principles they claim to understand. If they can understand the difference between additive and multiplicative, you’d think they’d also understand that having triple the players playing in different modes is better than half as many people playing together. But what do I know, I’m not a mathemagician.
There is definitely a lot of narcissism and God complexity in it too. I saw a person who was like “does not matter what the vast majority want, I understand better and those changes will destroy the game”!
A lot of it devolves to that and people just being selfish and not wanting others to have a good time. It makes sense because ultimately this is just cyber-bullying when you think about it. What I mean by that is I bet those people don’t even play the current game much but they do get certain sadistic joy from spreading their negativity and complaining when others ask for changes, thinking it gives them “power” and they are “denying” things when in reality they are just being obnoxious trolls in desperate need for attention.
A lot of logical and reasonable requests have been hijacked by those “purists” which is futile effort because it is clear the direction of D2R is going: it will have more changes. So the smartest thing to do is request the three modes and TCP/IP OR start suggesting changes but they would again rather just argue and be toxic. Admittedly, one of those toxic people is here so I wanted to give them a taste of their own medicine for a bit and was arguing with them for the sake of it. I highly doubt they learnt their lesson though.
Sorry I had to vent there for a bit, this community has some really disgusting people and generally are just not pleasant to deal with.
What you are saying is true if and only if everyone who doesn’t get LoD quits D2R. This is a very unlikely to be true hypothesis…
The idea is this will have effect on the Economy and Community, but after second thought: What are those “economy” and the “community” anyways. The “economy” is of course non-existent because we saw in first 48 hours super high end items (Enigma, Infinity, etc.) were very very abundant and the “community” one also does not make sense given the anti-social design of Diablo II and how most people play privately.
So after second thought I think why not, we should not force people to play our way.
I also realize it will take dev time and resources, and this is what I worry about personally given the amazing speed we are getting those changes. It is a very valid concern for sure. But honestly it might just very well be the most ideal solution to make everyone happy, so it might be worth it.
Honestly you asked for it by putting your opinions in the post, and asking questions. The title itself implies that you know better than everyone. My post is simple, to the point, and doesn’t give much fuel to trollers.
People who say this sound like spoiled little children. It sounds like this person doesn’t want people to have fun without terror zones and sunder charms. It goes both ways …
On the contrary, I want everyone to have fun. I have no problem with people enjoying the game in its current and future state. All this post is about is asking for a LoD option for those who do not enjoy the new patches.
