Players slider needed now more than ever

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You’re correct there are actually plenty of builds that don’t need much gear to handle P8, but they do need gear. But when you’re taking every bot and giving it an enigma, that would be taking away from the jah and ber runes you’d be trying to sell. In a market where timing is everything. The jah/bers they’re trying to sell along with the other gear they’d need to make the character P8 viable would have a ton more value being sold early. And by the time they even found enough of those runes to make up for that loss ladder would already be over because of how quickly the price drops.

Now sure there might be a bit of min/maxing they could do somewhere. Perhaps P3 with budget gear works, but they don’t do that because it isn’t worth the hassle.

Also I’m not sure where you got the perception that botters are botting in public games but that isn’t the case. Sure that one RMT site is running some baal bots, but that is just a PR move.

Again the efficiency isn’t there with botters running P8. Not only is the risk greater in a ban wave, but they’re directly eating up their product when their product has a limited lifetime of having value.

You’re not understanding the implications of running that type of a bot and what most botters goals are. One ber rune on day1 ladder can be sold for hundreds of dollars a ber rune right now is 1.50. If you’re using your jah/ber runes to make an enigma, then your shako, then probably some other varying gear that COULD have been sold sooner just to manage P8 then you’re losing value. What ever efficiency is entirely lost due to how the economy works in this game.

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Yup this is true but it was just an example, i do however think that most bots that isnt a sorc will be using enigma just because its much more efficient with teleport. I have seen plenty of hammer bots during the years

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This is the reason why the overwhelming vast majority of botters are sorcs.

And the bots you’ve seen aren’t the ones we’re talking about. We’ve all seen them in LOD, someone leveling up their hammerdin in pub baal runs to get P8. But they’re not the ones. That one site advertising in game is running baals right now, but you’re not seeing their 1000’s of bots running in private games on P1 with sorcs.

And this isn’t to say there are builds for other chars that bot or that you can’t use a hammerdin, it just isn’t the norm. Also some do run with teleport charges to avoid wasting the high runes. But again that type of micromanaging isn’t optimal.

Not sure if you read the edited part of my post above, but it really is simply about the economy. Every enigma you equip on a character early on is a jah and a ber rune not sold when the prices are high. There is no scenario no matter how optimally P8 drops are that make up for the decay of value on D2R. Now, yes at some point some botters might eventually upgrade their gear, but budget seems to be the clear leader in botters builds and sorceress is the king of budget.

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Already kind of agreed to this but yes its true, however within a few days he will be able to buy 10x Jah,Ber for the ones he sold on the first day and then he might consider enigma and running P8 hammer bot afterall P1 is a 62.5% no drop chance vs 1,64% on P8 and if ur hammer bot can do this without much time loss this will be better long term. Besides if P8 was implemented u could just setup a Lower Kurast bot running LK P8 24 hours a day, this doesnt require u to kill anything or have any good gear at all

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You are right eventually they might upgrade their bots, but honestly if they were smart they’d quit after the first week or two to dodge the bans. But why do all that extra work when there really isn’t much to be gained at that point?

As for the no drop chance you don’t understand how that works or at least not in relation to what you were previously discussing. The P8 no drop chance for a bot farming by itself would only be 14.92%, but yes still very much improved over the 62.5%. Regardless why put in that effort? Again at that point even if you wind up earning it back, by the time you do it won’t be worth as much even still. The deprecation is a killer.

As for the LK bot you’d be right they’d have increased chances at runes, at a high cost of finding much else. Runes aren’t the only thing if value.

In the end there is a reason why most are running P1 sorc setups. And I don’t think the slider is going to change that. Mainly because if they really wanted to they could mimic that scenario already and instead choose not to.

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I would actually consider this early ladder if i was a botter especially when the runes are so valuable the first couple of days. Been running a lot of P7/P8 runs on my offline sorc a while back and what i also noticed is i found a lot of skill charms and sc’s in LK besides a bot would probably be able to do thousands of LK runs a day

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I’ve only just been skimming this thread, but, I have been in Baal runs (full, P8) where the owner of the Bot ‘whispered’ me, after, me having thank’d the “runner” for the efficient runs, that, whom I was thanking was indeed ‘his’ Bot.
If that is all gibberish, the owner of the bot whispered me and said, that’s my Bot you just thanked…
Hmm.

So the game resumes, and the Bot heads to Baal, and “owner” runs Frigid Highlands (Eldrich/Shenk?) real fast… amazingly, even when the Tp to Baal was staled (wonder why?) the TP to Ball always came after owner returned to Harrogath…
Hmm.

I do not know much of anything about Bots, but, that was P8 and organized/stalled - based on the Bots-Owner’s requirements/timing.

OK.
So, P8 for battle net…, No.
As someone who has solo’d 3 characters to lvl99 and is currently running up a lvl97 and a lvl95 for a similar end goal… I can only assume those who what P8 online are one or all of a few things…

Greedy, who cannot stand to miss out on good drops (that they probably don’t even need).
and/or…
Lack commitment, patience, dedication to go it alone (I must have it now dammit!).
and/or…
Are so disruptive/greedy/leach-a-maniac in P8 games that folks hostile them/run them off… and they believe they are a victim of unfairness/injustice… of some sort…

In short, they are greedy, impatient folks that are unable to get along with others, and want the game changed to suit them… rather than adapting to the game to achieve their goals.

Well… here’s you binkie and soother…

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I can’t decide if you’re illiterate and don’t know what you’re talking about at all, or if you are just afraid that the public bots you leech from might move to private games. Most people who know what they’re doing don’t want to play with bots and don’t like the game list being 80% bot games.

Bottle-net is now the only available multiplayer open. It’s clear Blizzard can’t/won’t address the botting issue. These bots discourage human play, obscure the game list with spam and botted games, and blot out the lobby chat with RMT spam. The least Blizzard can do is to allow a minimum players threshold slider upon game creation.

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You are worried about loot and rmt…im saying it doesnt matter once you learn how to get items.
Their wouldnt be a skyrocket of people saturating the market with shakos. The value of items is very finite to begin with

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To be honest what u are saying here doesnt make much sense. Anyway what i was talking about was bots, rmt cannot ruin the market and the economy on its own but bots can, its supply and demand that determines the value of an item and rmt doesnt provide supply but bots do by flooding the market. And no u can probably not get rid of all bots but u can definitely decimate the number of bots by actively doing something about it, other games have done this before. The problem in D2 is blizzard, they are the reason this problem is sooo massive in D2 by doing nothing to prevent bots and not providing a proper alternative to 3rd party websites (official trade site) not even the spam bots gets banned which seems like a pretty ez task to me cause they are in each and every lobby and pretty ez to recognize.

Edit: If u think items are so ez to come by why the f… do u keep crying about Px slider.

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PSA: Don’t feed the trolls!

Back away from it, slowly . Break eye contact and discontinue interaction. If kept hungry it may start to lash out, but will return under its bridge eventually.

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Can anyone remove these stupid threads finally pls… it has nothing to do with Diablo anymore, it‘s all about ‘‘you’re delusional, you’re sick, you’re bla bla bla :pig:’’

Thanks :shushing_face:

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it’s like you missed the part where i said if you’re stupid again i’m going to call you stupid. can’t make this up. very frustrating to TRY and have a conversation with someone this dull…

it’s like if we were in person i would just have to start yelling at you to see if you’ll understand it yet because talking to you like a child doesn’t seem to work, you just go “la la la la i don’t care”

so yes, that’s when i got rude, and warned you i was going to do that if you refused to listen. crazy right? … i feel like i’m one of the only sane people left on this forum. who can actually read and hold a conversation…

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I never refused to listen i just disagree on some of the things u said. Just because you did it differently when u were botting doesnt mean everyone else did it the same way. But lets just agree to disagree and thats it, i dont consider u an idiot or stupid although a few people in this topic might just end up in that category.

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it makes sense it might be frustrating to you but bots and RMT are synonymous. Antithetically its redundant because people use loaders to populate their own games.
As someone who has done over 9 level 99s just by baal running in pubs i can tell you personally the loot is not economy breaking by having 8x people in my games. ive found less then 20 jah on all of those 99 characters leveling in the terror zone after i tele to baal for the patrons of the game. Thats well over 30k baal runs ive still never found tyraels might. Comparing that to a an RMT website that sells Jah runes for like 1.50 its not comparable.

You are crying im telling you i want to have pX for experience…and getting away from entitled, manipulative, convulsive, trashy nuts that have tantrums in game because they are lazy.

Its so insane after all the vitriol the trolls regurgitate all over this thread like a co dependant sickness that they still try to act like victims.

I agree start by not responding on any of my threads ever again

Alot of people in this community have a “never been punched in the face” type syndrome and i encourage you to go out in the world and act out these tantrums and enjoy the consequences.

Why he may not bot im almost positive that he loads his games with a loader which makes him a hypocrite like most people who convulsively spam these threads

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“tried” thats hilarious you got corrected by me then had a spasming tyrade aimed at degrading me to control my opinion then when it didnt work you avoided me indefinitely

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Can u pls just stay under ur bridge.

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you mean i did absolutely nothing wrong and you are going to keep your trivial mouth closed??

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Like if you needed any evidence it would be a good option to avoid other players who are problematic just look at these threads

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Please, one more difficulty level
Terrorized Areas in an entire region (entire act)

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