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I think with the amount of characters we have it’s really enough, I won’t see any bad thing in the shared tab. To me a shared tab is not there to stash junk. It is a stash that gives you the possibility to transfer items safe and without throwing stuff on the ground and log back in the game where my hr is laying around.

Even if it just was the 6x8 inventory plus 1 shared tab with 6x8 space we still would have the space of 2 full LoD accounts. If someone needs more it is simply useless hoarding to me unless you a RTMer or whatever.
I mean wasn’t it annoying to switch between characters and even accounts just to mule items? Especially if you fill up several mule accounts?

And to me it is also an good aspect in games like diablo that you are limited and have to decide what to keep and what not, makes you trade something rather than throw it away or stash 4 of 5 vipermages or whatever somewhere on my 100th account where it rots. I’d rather trade it for a rune if it’s a usefull item that isn’t that insanely rare.
The other usefull stuff I want to keep goes to other characters I plan to level up.

Maybe the auto gold-pickup while I still think that if I want that pile of gold I should klick on it, most of the gold comes from class specific trash we sale.

The keybinding feature isn’t to me.
Just an example:
Left-click to cast hammer and press assinged key to cast Teleport and it automatically swap back to Concentration and continue casting blessed hammer.
Maybe it isn’t that a huge advantage but still takes something away to me, no timing needed just press button where to port or whatever and go on holding leftklick.
But like I said that’s just my opinion on that, glad for everyone who appriciates that.

Yes it’s mostly needed in the early game when I don’t have a good manapool and/or insight. But at the start of the game I use lot’s of potions.
And what I mean is that in LoD/Legacy mode you can just spam leftklick to buy potions quickly mash out the potions you need, not possible in D2R, you need to adjust the cursor to confirm buying or use leftcl and return, just annoying af. In early game I don’t run around with just a 8 or 12 slot belt full of potions, should always have some mana and health pots in the inventory and ofc some stamina.

Yea sure, gold inflation. Ofc it’s not gamechanging, still it’s stupid imo.

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But in the terms of mule space, the shared tab is actually worse than what we had previously. It actually isn’t a full on QOL update, because at the end space is limited where as in LOD it was not.

To me it really seems like you’re hard focusing on like the stuff that really holds the most minimal of values. Maybe those are just your things, but like on the grand scheme of things if they didn’t exist no big deal, and they currently don’t have negative impact and most find them beneficial.

Obviously the pot one is a thing I guess? But again the narrow focus of early on in a character which lasts for like what your normal run? I guess they should fix it, but then again I’d never even think of it.

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You dont know that to be true

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Speed running to hell. You usually fill your inventory with stamina mana and some hp potion. In normal act1 for example you don’t have a belt since you don’t waste gold/time on it and also a 2 row belt is slow to fill your inventory. The fastest way is to swap to legacy graphics and buy them because you can double click them. In D2R graphics they moved the confirmation text so you can’t just double click.

I think what the other poster wanted to express is that blizzard failed to understand D2 and lots of changes go against the idea of D2.

I think that some/most qol are good additions, but I agree that they failed hard to understand those details like vendor text, wsg and fhr in PvP WW ias and so on.

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It’s not like I focus on these things but there lots of, lets call it small “changes” made which are actually just a prove how badly the knowledge of the D2R developer is.
Maybe I go too much in detail here, but basically what Odin wrote, they failed to understand those details.
And to me having all these changes and then seeing what they failed, does not give me the originl feeling of D2 anymore. Let’s keep the aspect of modern graphics away, it’s a remaster and appriciate the graphics update. I just wished they kept the game like it was before, but there been too many changes made, small or big does not matter here. And lets be honest, most of the changes made just suck gameplay wise.

I know that most of the community appriciate the stashsize etc. but I don’t, I think it’s too much, most people stuff it full with trash they don’t need anyway, or 100’s of SoJ’s…
I could go on about the anni issue too, but all this results in stuff that is related to each other.
And for the gold pickup, I don’t think that the the developer before never thought about it. But if I want something, and even if it’s just a coin of gold, I should HAVE to pick it up actively, just as a matter of principle.
To many this might seem petty, but I don’t think when the devs decided to put 100’s of single gold coins in certain areas that they have intended that the player picking them all up. It’s just little deatils.
But it’s allright as long as we have Mosaic, messedup FHR, ias and whatnot…
Hey let’s implement sundercharms to buff those who are strong anyway

And call me crazy, but imo all this is connected to the major issue with bots. They and people who abuse jsp and rmt destroy the fundamentals of how d2 is supposed to be.
I’d rather have them focus on that sht instead, then other classes would play a way bigger role, but nobody want’s to play a necromancer, I can just solo everything with pala and sorc anyway, and the gear, ezpz just open jsp or spend a few bucks I earned in a hour of work let’s me beat the game in breeze.

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agreed

also agreed

agreed aswell

The balancing is still a mystery to me, how can it be, that a FAITH equipped Bozozon deals less damage and is slower in clearing, than a hammerdin/sorc with double spirit, that’s just absolutetly reta(o)rded…

And the only “GROUP PLAY” people do is

  • Tristruns
  • Tombruns
  • Getting boosted “RUSH” games
  • Cowruns (mostly normal for again exp)
  • Chaos/Baalruns (normal and NM very good, hell very bad cause people use it as /players command and just farm stuff instead and using YOU as a better loot system, than actually doing the baalrun)
    End
    HC on the other hand is a little bit different, people actually group farm there, but mostly streamers / real life friends and not some random a-hole griefers who kill / PK (Party Kill) you, cause you “STOLE” “THEIR” Shako or whatever.
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They typoically trist to 15
tomb to 20
cow to 24+
Ancts
Baal to 40-45

or they Glitch-Rush to Hell chaos at level 1, then chaos to an average of 80. This can be prevented if they set a minimum level for hell chaos to say 50.

You are right, this happens a lot. Mostly due to the fact that most that do this are botters/RMT’rs. They don’t want to play the game, they want rushed so that 8 hours later they can accumulate things to sell.

This can be fixed in one of several ways, or at least hindered.

  1. Once kill Baal, cannot return to previous difficulty.
    2, Require minimal level achievement before being advanced [and being in group when quest is completed does not register unless have achieved that level].

I am sure there are other ways as well.

I have played with numerous groups that actually play the game and complete the quests as a group of almost the same level. It can be fun.

To prevent people joining and rushing, make your games with the level difference set.

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Shared tabs IMO is QoL
Gold pickup is also QoL even though it does affect gamepay.

Meanwhile I don’t think that WSG, FHR PVP, WW IAS, TZ, Sunder, Mosaic are solely nearly the QOL area overall. These are where IMO they’ve consistently made bad changes all of them. And before anyone says I love TZ or Sunder or whatever, I too have fun in TZ’s with my sunder charms, they’re still bad for the game IMO. They’re not the proper changes to fix any of the issues with immunities, leveling, or farming and TZ’s as well as Sunders have a negative impact that out weighs what I personally like about them.

I’m not sure you’d have a solid argument that the changes they made in game were for the benefit of botting rmt or RMT. And I’m not sure how you think JSP or prices work for RMT trade, but you don’t get to just spend a few bucks and go off, unless it is late in ladder, but late in ladder you can find free enigmas.

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Quite simply put … ABSOLUTEY, UNEQUIVOCALLY NO to /players x on line.

Want it so bad, go play SP.

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SSF Mode with p8 options all problems solved :slight_smile: but we know that nothing will change for years or never… :confused:

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Bold move. The only thing the Botting / RMT trolls hate more than the /players option is the idea of a self-found mode. You just suggested both in one!

No, we want back the /players option in a multiplayer environment. Lying about and then deleting multiplayer options is pure scumbag behavior. Worse than trolls like you telling people ‘go play single player’. Go play in traffic.

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Already exists: Single Player

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Doesn’t exist: No ladder, not online. Even the most basic ideas are beyond your grasp it seems.

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Solo Self Found
Play SP, you play solo, and only have self found items, plus, now the clue, you have p8 :slight_smile:
You can even set it up to have always random maps. The speedrunner and pros will get the first spots in ladder anyway. Nobody forces you to trade items or buy them or whatever.
This would be bad for the people who don’t want it while those who want it can just do it already in SP and also in MP. And not everyone who don’t want SF or SSF does not equal a cheater or a credit card warrior, people who use this as argument are just bad losers.
You feel outplayed when a cheater has more items than you or what is it?
I mean what is the real intention here?

Those who use jsp/rmt will never play a solo selffound ladder, and some who play selffound will still using bots.
You would need to ristrict the game to be SSF or SF to get rid of jsp etc. Creating the problem of splitted playbase trying to solve unfair advantages while you would only reduce cheating. Bots would still rock the show in terms of loot.
So you create a problem while you not 100% solving another problem with it. And everyone who thinks that it’s worth I can’t understand their mindset.

In SSF bots would win because they don’t need to eat, sleep, work and and whatever you need to do.
In SF you would still see the top people again on the top 100, these are organized teams which doing hellbaals a few hours into ladder and barely live.

You have all you want in SP and even playing online, just don’t trade if you need to play online. Or is your point to get on the first page of lvl99 in ladder?

As much as I would like to see that nobody using bots and using jsp/rmt, why split the playerbase? It’s not like there oh such much player left, sure there some, but it’s not like everybody is playing d2. I’m not saying it’s dead.

As for /pX, this really don’t deserve to be online especially thinking about bots. It’s called multiplayer for a reason. And to everybody who want’s to have a fair ladder cause of bots and rmt, SF or even SSF is not the answer. The first few pages will be full with sorc only in SF. In both categorys you have people racing to 99 using bots while they sleep, to me there is not much difference using bots or jsp and rmt in the first two month.

The only real problem to solve would be to get rid of bots which would also make rmt useless. Jsp would still be there, even if the prices stay way more stable, you can carry your wealth from one ladder to another.
But, this will never happen, they won’t even fix tiny things. They just copy paste the same announcements 2 weeks before the reset happens.
So really what is the intention by having a SF or SSF ladder?

I understand that cheater messed up one of the best aspects of playing MP, trading got way harder and the market is messed up.

But SF and SSF, if you can’t trade or buy items you “reduce” the market that doesn’t exist in selffound. While bots running like hell and it would still be “unfair”.

Bots are the coreproblem and we won’t get rid of it. It’s like lashing out like a child that does not get their candy, vain hope, just get used to it play SP or make your own rules…

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No ladder no dice. Scrap the ‘Solo’ part, make a ‘Self Found’ ladder - bot and RMT enthusiasts HATE that idea - a ladder where you can’t play with credit card?!

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Oh my lord that would be dope

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Why do people convulsively say this like its the same experience as trading your items and helping other people or pvping