People who Attack with the Word "Purist"

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It’s really quite appalling when you actually sit down to think about how messed up the situation here/world is when you legitimately think this label through…

A purist is someone who does not want change to Diablo 2 because it’s already perfect and perfection is pure? Is this like a 7 colors of the rainbow thing? or a holy trinity thing?

Because if you’re talking about people not being able to let go of the holy trinity, then everyone thinks you’re talking about the Tank, Cannon, and Support trinity. But ironically, this is not a Pure Trinity so it must not be Holy. If you divide the impure trinity of Tank, Cannon and Support into Pure Trinities you result with Tank, Cannon, Diversitalist and Support, Soloist, Dependant. It’s difficult to seperate Diversitalist from Soloist but it can be done by distinguishing them solidly as "many viable options’ vs “magic damage”.

I have divided up the impure trinity to demonstrate the pure trinities in the following image.

https://ibb.co/1d19CWt

That may be a pure set of trinities but it hasn’t been converted in to a Diablo 2 perception yet… so I will do so with one trinity, the second one, because it’s the purely conceptual trinity rather than the positional trinity.

https://ibb.co/1MX3kS9

As you can see, when you try to put a purist lens on your eye in an accurate perception of Diablo 2, you don’t end up with a result that can be considered pure from a proportionally graceful standard of purity. The Sorceress stands out like a sore thumb in her role. But is the answer to make the other heroes more like the Sorceress? No. The answer is to put another Hero in to the game of the same role to yield a graceful proportioning for the viable standard of purity that can be achieved using low numerical values. Graceful proportioning inevitably ends up being the most rigid when arranging low single digit numerical values.

So the REAL Diablo 2 purist is not pure by any means because he is “pro addition” and even potentially “pro situational alteration” and thankfully, this is what most people who are “pro change” identify as because a REAL “pro change” attitude would be completely stupid and a complete joke as if something in the game was affected by pro addition or pro situational alteration too negatively, but then it would need to be removed from the game or replaced, NOT CHANGED perse. That could happen but “Change for the sake of Change” against Diablo 2’s gracefully proportioned and rigid structure inevitably ends up at Diablo 3. And I mean, are you sure you aren’t meaning to say “Proportional Alteration” when you say change? Because if that’s the case then you first have to form a viable argument for how an identity or aim of the game has not been properly structured or functioned fundamentally. I only bring up my considerations for these one at a time and evaluate them based on comparable identities because there may only be one identity in the game that does not fairly represent itself comparable to others and if it was addressed it may end up fixing everything to the point that the community is more pleased than not. It could end up being “THE fix”

And back to the start… if this is a “7 colors of the rainbow thing”, then you are perceiving purity from a sense of “completeness” as 7 different colors by no means represents purity than from any other sense. But I would argue against your view by presenting you with scientific research that discovered an 8th color of the rainbow in 2014, and also from the sheer undeniable fact that 3 does not go in to 7 gracefully by any standard, but does go in to 8 gracefully from a mathematical standard.

Vented and Dented.

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Wtf? Time to start the ladder tbh

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“We swallow greedily any lie that flatters us or makes us feel powerful, but we sip only little by little on a truth we find bitter” - Denis Diderot

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Someone call a plumber, the Reddit sewage is leaking again.

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I personally disagree with that term. When it is used on the D2R forum, it typically refers to those who want to keep D2R as similar to D2 as possible.

I prefer to say people who prefer the status quo or who prefer few/no changes.

The reality is D2R at release had more than 25 changes relative to D2 already. Also, Blizzard’ pre-release interviews clearly indicated that more changes were possible if the players wanted them.

To this end, Blizzard conducted multiple surveys as well as looked at community servers. Since the game is getting changes, Blizzard must have decided that there was a critical mass of support for making changes as evidenced by patch 2.4 and the fact that they said that D2R is a live service game.

The irony is that D2 in its history has changed considerably.

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Hopefully the sewage is strong because that would probably mean you have been consuming your bitters.

“[Bitters] may help to stimulate the digestive system and improve the absorption of food,” Dr. Bhatia

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Hasn’t stopped since Reddit became a thing, let’s be honest.

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Change is a strong word… I go with proportionally altered until identity is damaged, lost, stolen or buried.

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Irrespective of what you call it, D2 patch 1.09 and 1.10 were significantly different. I do not need to go down the Ship of Theseus philosophical rabbit hole.

Since D2 is remaining in its current form for those who prefer that, I feel that D2R provides an opportunity to evolve to improve things in D2R like character and class build balance among other things.

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You went from “change” to “evolve” pretty quickly on my legitimate strong word point.

You know that evolution is a theory right?

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That discussion should remain a topic for a different forum since it does not relate to D2R and will become quickly contentious.

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Then maybe you should hold back on using such potent words and and concepts that still remain strictly theoretical.

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Purist is the wrong word for them. Patch 1.10 changed the game dramatically.

We should start calling them “1.10 kiddies”.

Kids that can’t imagine how to play the game without teleporting around with a Hammerdin.

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Evolve is not a potent word nor is the word change. They both accurately describe the fact that patches are made in D2 that alter gameplay. Patch 1.10 did change D2 significantly from patch 1.09.

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A scientific theory is a broad explanation that is widely accepted because it is supported by a great deal of evidence.

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Allow me to remind you that you went from the word change to evolve and I went from the word change to “proportionally altered until identity is damaged, lost, stolen or buried.”

I clarify the potent from the impotent but you mystify it, so you stay potent and potent in a bad way. And even a worse way when you use the word evolve.

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Semantics.

Alter, modify, evolve, change, etc… have overlapping definitions albeit distinct connotations. This a a video game forum not English composition 201.

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You went with the google definition of alter,

“Change or cause to change in character or composition”

But allow me to provide you with the definition from merriam-webster,

“To make different WITHOUT CHANGING into something else”

Clearly we just had to work out the English problem first to even get anywhere.

C.L.E.A.R.L.Y.

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When people use the word purist to attack those that are against change x in a thread. They are doing it to try to get them to accept that change since they obviously accepted the changes that D2R has already made and will make.

The whole idea of black and white fallacy, or all or nothing fallacy. Stating if you accepted the changes of D2R then you must accept, not only the changes that Blizz makes, but also all changes that are suggested by the players. How dare you not accept one suggested change.

They know there are two purists, one that don’t want any changes like you said because they see D2 as perfect. So they are not playing D2R nor have they bought it.

Second are the ones that have only accepted the changes that have been made to D2R prior to patch 2.4.

They either fail to accept the fact that not all suggested changes are gonna be good for D2R. Some will be big winners and others will flop on their face no matter how hard you try to make them work.

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I do not think that is the goal. When that term gets used, it is typically a recognition that no argument can be used to change the mind of someone who favors the status quo.

I think that some did not recognize all the changes in D2R at release and did not make an informed purchase decision. These individuals who play D2R presumably tolerated those changes.

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