I cannot beat hammerdins, zealadins, smite-a-dins, and any other din, (around my level, give or take +5,-5). 90 barb, 2k frenzy, 2k berserk, grief, fury, hw, soe, drac, bul, soj, gore. None of em. They melt me. If any class needs to be looked at, its the Paladin. No, I am not making this statement because just “I” lost in a duel. I have lost to many. I have seen many nuke baal runs. The PALADIN is the most OP class in this game. I’m 90, he’s 90… what gear does he have over me?
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I think you made a typo when you tried to write “Barbarians need a buff”.
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This is not an e-sport game so it is NOT supposed to be balanced. Some chars are much stronger than others which is absolutely fine and in fact makes this game more fun because it provides lots of challenge for some players. Look at Mortal Kombat, do you expect all chars in that game on the some power level? If you desire absolute balance when dueling another player, go play Starcraft
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PVP in this game is a joke. You don’t play D2 for the PvP lol
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PVP was never specified for Diablo2.
If you want a fair PVP, 30lvl should to be capped.
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maxed block rate/massive defenses/health pool/quick casting/stuns/amssively powerful auras/etc.
hate to break it to ya but Barb were never great at PvP in D2.
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I agree, but I think we can both agree that Barbs are pretty terrible.
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hate to break it to ya but Barb were never great at PvP in D2.
Not entirely true. Barbs were great in Classic D2 1.04 and before. Paladins were subpar prior to 1.08(ish). Before LOD, Bowazons and WW Barbs were the king and queen of PVP.
Blizzard nerfed the heck of of Melee and Bowazons and buffed casters. There was a point when Blessed Hammer was crap and so were most Necro Bone and Posions skills. Sorc always did okay, but they were not on the level of an Amazon with a 180ish ED Rare Gothic Bow, or Barb with a 180ish ED Rara Lance.
Also, Life Leech and Mana Leech were nerfed at one point, which also hurt melee/bows. And when they decided that Dual Leech Rings/Amulets were too powerful…
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yes but that was ancient. when talk about d2 its 1.08+ as those are ones thats been around and played msot. (as iirc most of the later copies of game started at 1.08)
yes but that was ancient. when talk about d2 its 1.08+ as those are ones thats been around and played msot. (as iirc most of the later copies of game started at 1.08)
You said, “barbs were never good,” which isn’t true. Also, that is a lot of your own opinion. To me, some of the most fun I actually had and some of my most memorable moments in D2 were before 1.09.
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It just means you suck.
In the original D2 with a BiS WW barb, I was destroying paladins with ease.
And it is not just about having the gear, also about L2P. You shouldn’t WW straight to smiters or hammerdins for obvious reasons.
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That BS indeed. In the original D2, a good WW barbs owns paladins no problem.
The trick is having BiS max dmg / AR / Life charms and also enough 20/@5 because some hybrid paladins can FoH you from a distance if you try to play defense.
And right now bow is stupidly bad… It does need some love.
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Frenzy is not a good build for PvP. Berserk can be a good situational ability but it’s typically not a good build on its own either for PvP. When using melee attacks like Frenzy and Berserk without a shield you should not expect to be competitive against Zeal. Also, without hitting the 50% (or close to) damage reduction cap you will die very quickly to any physical damage dealers. For an all around PvP Barbarian you will want to use Whirlwind.
Against Zealers and Smiters, I would recommend getting some Angelic set rings and amulet. They give a large boost to AR which will help you against the high defense of most Zealers and Smiters. Charms are also very important as a lot of extra damage, life, and attack rating will come from those.
Hammerdins are always going to be somewhat difficult and I would consider them a pretty big mismatch until you at least have Enigma. The reality is that all builds have their weaknesses. However, your current build is not an effective one and your gear is badly lacking. Barbarians are quite gear dependent, unfortunately. Look up guides for PvP Whirlwind builds and videos on how to play them. You will quickly get some ideas on how to make your barb perform better.
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Better L2p
Good BvC/BvA is S tier in D2 PvP LOL
Only one problem for BvC is Hammerdin.
Also 1.09 well geared WW Barb was top tier with all these 5frw scs and desync, Barb with hacked items like white rings was Top1.
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Theres no real PVP in Diablo unless you play with organised groups and handicap/restrict most of the stuff/rules/items/skills to make it more fair. You cant have both in games like that so its either good pve/pvp or you will end up with another D3fail.
Don’t know if the TO is trolling or not.
Not exactly, on pub I can beat every class by every class.
This game was never designed with PvP in mind. If you’re asking for balanced PvP, you’re playing the wrong game.
PvP is possible, yes. But Diablo is not and never has been a PvP-centric game series. Nor should it be. PvP is just a little side dish for those who are finished with the main course; that being PvM.
Some find the main course to be plenty, though.
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umm…balance is something they continuously tried to maintain. it was always recognized that paladins and sorcs are way overpowered, but before they could make the fixes, the team was pulled. it was literally on their to-do list.
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