Nobody is seriously using signs Isenhart and other low-level sets. I’m not talking about using a single item. That’s common. The other parts of the set are being charsi’ed though.
I believe I understand the idea behind these sets having such high drop rates. They are meant to be so common that anybody starting can acquire the full set and be viable.
The thing is they are not. The MF sorc’s and high levels are selling these items and not trading or even giving them away. I sold so many sigons that I could have easily given away. The problem is it takes time away from farming to actually give them away.
There is an old idea that. There is plenty of food to end world hunger, but the issue is not the food but getting it to people who need it.
I think these low-level sets need to be buffed in the following way.
Make every piece on their own have some attribute that is valuable.
Nobody cares about enhanced defence or 5 Strength. The best sets have really good stats like crushing blow and magic find. So for example a gulliams face has 25% crushing blow(or 20% I forget). Why not give isenhardts helm 10-15% crushing blow?
Then I can actually keep these low-level sets for trading or just give them away and actually feel they are worth the inventory space.
Disclaimer: In all post asking for some change not in LoD there is a few who feel they should be toxic. This thread is not for you. If you have legitimate points why low-level sets should not be buffed feel free to post. That input is valuable. Be respectful and kind to one another even if you disagree.
Maybe I am weird, but I save up sigons until I have a full set and then give it away to a starter player.
I also keep one full set of sigs to pass around to fresh alts.
My first thought about buffing them is, if they choose to do that they open up a floodgate. Why not fix X set too, or X runeword, or X unique? Seems like a slippery slope.
After spending a couple weeks here I also think expecting this forum to reply with logic and reason and general good will and respect is sadly a dream that will not come true.
You use sigons as an example and say you’re vendoring all of them even though they’re useful.
That’s on you. Plenty of new characters would love for someone to join their “Act 1 Start Norm” game and drop a full sigon set. You’re just choosing to vendor them instead of saving up 1 of each piece because you can’t be bothered.
Then you deviate and say that the mediocre/bad low level sets need buffed so you feel that they’re worth holding onto to give away/trade.
Well sigons is worth doing that, and you’re already not holding onto it… so… yeah.
I agree I do not want a flood of item changes. It would be nice if these early sets had a lot more use. You make a good point why its not a good idea and Im glad someone uses sigons. Haha.
If you don’t care to give them away, why even pick them up? I keep a complete sigon and isenhart set for low levels if I want an easier run. A full sigon set can easily carry someone into nightmare.
The best sets don’t come in at level 3-6 required. Isenhart’s with crushing blow would be insane for how common it is. It would take a set that is already fantastic for leveling an alt and make it op at the levels you can equip it.
I got the chance to use full Milabrega set today on a paladin alt. The use lasted about 10 levels until I had better, or it seemed less worth to keep the full set bonuses.
So I do agree that sets in this game are underwhelming in terms of effort to gain, and length of use. And its honestly a bummer because WOW the art now on these sets is INCREDIBLE!
Full Sigon on a paladin in the character select screen?? Yummy!
Maybe an answer resides in cube recipes. I know you can upgrade quality, but that doesnt help the lower lvl idea. Perhaps add a recipe that adds a interesting bonus permanently onto a lower item at a larger end game cost?
I am trying to think of an example…
Perhaps somehow spending a nagelring and a couple P topaz to permanently etch a 25% bonus to MF onto a piece of sigons… sorry this isnt the best example but i think i got my idea across?
I would leave it to smarter minds than me, to establish a good trade off and balance
Sigons is GG as leveling gear well into nightmare for melee, I always like to have at least one full set on hand. The str req is a little steep but with some charms and planning you can usually have it by the lvl 6 req. Leach, IAS, defense, resistance and AR buffs are pretty awesome at that level, plus it leaves weapon slots open. Even partial set to 2H is very nice.
Cathans isn’t bad too start off a sorc but with things like leaf and spirit it gets outclassed pretty fast.
Agreed that a lot of the other ones are tough to make a case for. It is kind of a shame that by the time you’re done high enough content to complete a set like Sigs you wouldn’t use it anymore so it’s regulated to alt gear.
I’ve been taking it slow leveling with D2R so I’m still at the point where I’d love to have Sigs. Nm Andy dropped the gloves and getting life leech has been a challenge this run so I’m actually actively looking for belt and boots. If you want to give me free Sigs pieces I’d gladly take them
If it added a specific improvement, then sure why not. We don’t need crap like corruption in the mods or Diablo 4/Wow levels of rng on top of rng. Finding the item and getting good rolls on it should be enough, doesn’t need another couple layers of rng on top of that.
Sigon’s gloves and helm are actually good even into hell for some classes. 30% IAS, leech and a sizable chunk of AR is great for pretty much any physical char.
I’d say Isenhart is even better than Sigon at very low levels since you don’t need quite as much strength and the weapon is incredibly consistent. Other than that yeah it’s pretty much only Sigon that is decent for leveling past 20s with. Even then runewords start toe dge out A lot of the Sig pieces.
Sigon’s, isen and clegaw’s are strong for starters. Folks just don’t care about it. You can level up until around lvl 20-26 with those even not with complete sets, with like 2-3 parts. Doing normal attack and being great doing it, sigon’s provide 10% lifesteal and paired with isen or clegaw’s sword you get really nice damage and aspd.
Combine sigon’s boots + sigon’s glove = 30% aspd + 10% lifesteal, if you add another piece is 50% mf also and some AR.
Use sword and shield from clegaw you could easily deal with poison and have a decent amount damage and aspd.
Same goes for isen.
If you have isen armor + helm, clegaw shield + sword, sigon’s belt, glove and boots you can beat several stuff on normal attack really easily. You could even forget isen and go 2 clegaw’s and 2-3 sigon’s.
That could easily avoid one re-spec for folks who would level up new chars but don’t have nice skills at beginning or powerful gear. Like bowzon that wouldn’t go fire or some warcry barbarian.
Those sets are strong enough, folks just get rushed or skip them altogether because guides doesn’t recommend them to use. Simple as that.
They don’t need buff, folks just need to play the game more and less rush, pleveling or care about meta. Because at end of the day, d2 only survived that long because folks focused on have fun and had deep connection with their own characters.
Awesome thanks! I just sent you a friend request in battle.net I think. It kept saying failed but then said I already did when I tried again? I haven’t added someone in D2R yet.
To be honest I have wondered why they don’t allow you to do that. It’s not like an upgraded set piece would be any more broken than an upgraded unique.
