Now the most abused classes are even stronger and melee builds are still trash in comparison.
How about buffing melee so that a WW barb (you know, a class that should be able to build around a level 30 iconic skill) doesn’t require godly gear just to be average.
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Don’t worry you’ll get your “Always Hit” charm in another ladder or two
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Melee is better than any caster pvm, but with decent gear. Thats the difference.
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It’s harder to stack MF and not die with melee. For MF efficiency, casters are better, unless they roll mf into all melee gear.
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Apples and oranges. All comes down to gear. True grief doesnt have mf, but ali baba does which can be upped and used for the kill. Also, enigma has built in mf as well as shako and as a pally, ist x 4 auric 45 res shield is much easier to achieve than a jewelers monarch of simplicity/deflecting. Last point is life leach and dps potential. Overall, melee will can be more effective especially in places like chaos sanctuary or trav but requires higher end gear.
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You sir are on sum Nice chemicals … lol .
Compare a highend ww barb , just do it . Lets Say Ali babas on switch , dual grief , nigma , highlords , goreriders , Lay of hands , string of ears , dual leach ring + ravenfrost . Ar + damage skillers … all the good stuff . Jump into chaos time it and then do the same with an equally geared … Hammerdin / Java /sorc. …then come back .
Melee is in diferent galaxy compared to casters . Ali babas for the kill ? Wut ? . All those casters Will do half the time While watching a champions league football Game and drinking a beer.
You sir seem to knoe nothing about melee mechanics or simply chose to ignore the obvious gap between the 2 .
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I agree melee dominates casters, my pvm strafe bowa zon destroys hell chaos.
With beastz/griefz you will destroy all the monsters in the game . Melee have better options to have high res and life compared to casters.
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We do not need ITD charm, we already have Grief. Unfortunately, it is 1000% better than all alternatives.
Forgive me , English is not My first language , i find dificult to catch sarcasm … Like seriously? What part of a bowazon is melee?
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Ali baba sucks for killing, melee still way slower than a caster with gear that cost half the price.
Just an example if you wanted the last hit with more mf…
The sweet is never as sweet without the sour. The only reason something is good, is because you have something worse to compare it to. If all things were equal, the world would be incredibly boring. All classes are not supposed to be the same, melee are far better at some areas of the game than casters, and vice versa. If all classes were good at everything there would be no point of having different classes. Just because ww barb is in a bad place does not mean all melee builds are garbage compared to casters.
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110 % agree with you op , d2 dev logic
and they get pay for that 
Whaaat? But I thought D2 is masterfully crafted game that is absolute perfection?! Are you asking current Blizzard to fix that “masterpiece”? 
Purists are just funny, and Purist logic is absolute zero. keep on with the changes Blizzard. 
OP I totally agree with you, melee characters need a lot of love.
Barbs are extremely strong and with find item will over-loot casters. Also due to shouts they have way higher life and survivability. Of course if you play softcore which many noobs do then nothing matters anyway.
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I played softcore for a week when the game launched in summer 2000. I’ve played HC exclusively ever since.
Barbs can be ‘extremely strong’ with a single build with elite end game items. You have to use dual grief etc.
Go level through Nightmare and Hell with a team of various characters and tell me a barb can do anything but be a BO slave.
There’s a reason everyone plays Sorcs, Javaons, and Hammerdins. These classes are OP even with average gear and barbs without the godliest gear in the game are terrible. Casters will clear most of the game way faster than any barb can ever dream of.
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You are right. Every class can be “extremely strong” with super high-end items. Although even then he is lacking against other classes with lower-end gear.
That’s basically the logic this dev team works with from the start.
Let’s fix WW by having only the best weapons remain the same and the others become worse.
Let’s fix Shapeshifters by having Fury remain the same with some weapons and the rest become worse (especially the bear needs some loving lets nerf it to the ground).
Hammerdin crushes TZ lets add a charm so the sorc’s can aswell.
(who actually had issues with TZ btw, it’s still easy just better drops and more exp so already was free stuff, did we need a buff so something easy become easier?)
Lol you do know how these dev’s work?
Every melee “fix” turn into a nerf.
The bear was fixed by not needing WIAS, IAS would do, to compensate they reduced the max APS from 8.33 to 3.57, even in theory you won’t get above that anymore and getting above 3.13 already requires ias gear and ias on weapon.
Always Hit would be there style of fixing things, but since it would make melee stronger it will likely be more like this;
“We changed melee to no longer need Attack Rating, to compensate for this we also introduced miss chance, every melee attack will have a base miss chance of 50% certain skills will have reduced miss chance.
These are all on the Paladin and Smite will have 0% miss chance.
We encourage Paladin user to make fun of Barbarians and those furry things of which we have forgotten the name.”
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Tell me about it.
I love WB and even with godly gear you will never be able to compete with farming ability and kill/clearspeed. Even before the 2.4 attack speed nerf.
After 2.4 i turned it into a SW WB instead. And now I have Enigma.
Even with all the seconds lost shaping back and forth to teleport, there is a world of difference in clearspeed and the MF/farming potential.
It’s so bad that melee WB doesn’t hold a candle to SW WB. Because you max maul, you’re even set for killing ubers with a gearswap.
Weak argument bc if both sorc and barb had find item, would you ever play barb? Its essentially the last and only straw holding the dam in place.
Even with find item, it slows down clear even slower than it already is making it only worthwhile on Travincal. Oh woopy one tiny place to run until eyes bleed.
With TZ addition super elites may act similar in high level games. But that wont be anywhere near as speedy as trav runs.
Basically barb for trav, caster for literally everything else