In 2.5 patch, we need melee characters buffs.
And please rollback 4 frame zeal or extend attack speed limits.
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i mean i dont see why zeal deserves 4 frames… its on a paladin… 5 frames are enough for that class
im ok with barb and druid and kicksin hitting below 5 frames but zeal i mean, im sorry im not for any sort of paladin buffs…
besides this isnt what melee needs, our single target damage is perfectly fine… we need AoE’s
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Nah bro if your melee sucks just make a Grief or 2. Slap on that nigma and you’re good to go homie. Not feeling nigma? Wanna walk everywhere? Aight throw on fort it’s all good
We need a plethora of things . But we hace been talking a LOT about the useless state of 2handed weapons … Zip , Zero , nothing , nada to FIXING Ătems , Many skills still crap vs their LOD versions (Ww)…
Nope they completly ignored melee issues and went on to introduce zones that aim Even more to casters … cuz You KNOW that te ar fórmula biggest impact comes from relative level of the attacker and the defender , now that TZs increases level monsters the chance to hit goes down …
Ahh but that Java/sorc/and pally Will be wtfpwning left and right in no time!
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Zeal has always been 4.8 frames ( because last attack is slow). When was it ever different? It’s not 5 frames, not sure where you are getting this from. Just put on a Grief and fanat aura and you basically get 4 frame attacks with the 5th attack being slower.
zeal is literally 4 frames, except the last attack…
give melee like 3 yard splash damage lol
So your argument is that Paladins shouldn’t have a viable melee build because they have other OP builds? Should default Hammerdin🤣
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Please confirm you mean caster Pally.
Zeal/Fanta Pally cannot even keep up with Barb, when Barb is several clvl’s below.
Never played melee eh?
Of course i mean hammergod … not You silly inferior zealots 
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Too funny.
I’m sure by that comment you are aware, but a caster Pally is not melee.
Caster/Ranged are in their own league, then meat-shield… then… wayyyy down there is your melee… they look like tiny ants from up here on our pedestal… haha, look at them scurry for scraps…
… why are u acting like you “need 4 frames” to be viable
paladin is already better than those other melee builds even without 4 frames.
simply because its flat out immune to damage
u can set there with a Guled GA tgods, and an exile and just laugh your heart at as enemies both cant land any sort of melee attack on you… you have a 1 frame block if they do.
and if u want to put on a wisp/dwarf and raven
and elemental attacks flat out HEAL you.
it even works vs other players
although its BM in any sort of duel for obvious reason
and its not like the other classes really have an abundance of 4 frame options either
Are you implying that I should be using what Charsi sells? Lmao
Answering a question with a question…
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I’m implying that if you played melee, and had all top end gear, you would know that even then, melee is still light years behind caster/ranged at clear speed, farming… you know, the stuff you’re routinely doing by the time you’ve put together a Grief, Fort/Enigma.
In hindsight, I guess my question was rhetorical.
Typical forum dwellers reaction
The dude ask for a legitimate thing and throws a personal thought
And everybody ignores the main topic and just dogpile on him for the side remark lol
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No one will ever build a serious zealot anymore haha. The skill should be a frame or so faster, heck a 2 frame zeal would make it ideal. Also, it desperately needs more attack attempts per use 5 is meh, 7 i feel is optimal especially if you look at beast + grief we combo. Zeal is simply non competitive with ww.
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Yes, zeal is better than some other melee builds.
Doesn’t take away from the fact that melee can’t compete with caster builds at all…
You can run same gear on smiter or hammerdin, what is your point? Holy Shield is OP and is available to every pally build. The block frame drops to 2 with a single point which is impossible to reach for most classes. Even without Holy Shield, pallies require the least amount of dex to cap block chance…
Druids have the highest effective health of the lot, barbarians used to have some mobility and slow advantages which have largely been nerfed. Melee build assassins are a joke outside of the 1 shot kickdins for ubers…
One thing that could that could be improved is elemental damage on weapons. Since ele dmg can be on a weapon it should work with enhanced damage but only on the weapon. This would make for better diversity for melee users. Maybe would make vengeance actually useable!