Dont gate the content … we already know how NOBODY wants gated content.
You dont need to give someone incentive to play Ladder… if they want to play ladder… they do it because they want to start off with a new economy (AKA this is really just for JSP people and item sites to sell their items for increased prices at the fresh ladder start). Dont kid yourself, we all know how D2 has worked for the past 20+ years. Ladder was always meant for people to build their wealth by selling overpriced Rals, Shakos and Occys at the launch of a ladder so they can use that wealth to slowly perfect n build their Non ladder characters.
Gating TZ to ladder only is just as terrible as D3’s problem of gating all the new seasonal features to season only (Non Season people will NEVER get to try out the new builds/features unless they click on that little green leaf to make a new seasonal char.) And alot of people usually just dont have time to play multiple hours a day on diablo anymore (alot of 30+ year old adults here who were D2 players who now are reliving their nostalgia in D2R as adults)… and you notice quite alot of them just play Non Ladder or Single Player because they can RETAIN their progress/items and if it isnt already well known … Bers and Jahs arent handed out and dropping from the sky like candy every hour (like D3 raining loot and a person can fully gear and end game char in a few hours). SO it actually takes ALONG time for people to actually get good end game gear (and some may not even see some of the gear EVER just due to the nature of how D2 loot drop system works).
So forcing your player base to have to go to Ladder season 2 JUST to try out Terror Zones … big NO NO. Dont gate the content again blizzard. Fans of D2 were so happy when legacy ladder only runewords were forever allowed to be made in Non Ladder… dont make the mistake of content gating again. Let Non Ladder guys enjoy the new end game content, and let Ladder people do their starting out fresh/waste of time business (if thats your thing then cool, do you dude).
Because the second i heard that TZ is most likely gonna be “Ladder only”… it was a big facepalm moment of the day
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yeah i aggre the overal gameplay ladder / NL should same.
also D4 will focused on ladder/seasonal, which yellow/red light for not a fans of ladder.
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Yes mostly a non-ladder player here, I hope we get terror zones. Such a tease to then possibly pull the rug out from under us.
Did we ever hear about getting the option to ‘up’ set gear for non-ladder after season 1?
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For the record, they haven’t spoken about non-ladder at all, so it’s really a coin flip at this stage as to whether we see it in non-ladder. It would be good to get a firm answer from blizzard on this point.
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Early on, pez said on Twitter that they were unsure yet at that point. However, from his recent forum post, it makes it seem that they decided on doing ladder only, as he has used the season ladder feature to describe instead of multiplayer feature as he was. Now, the ptr has been testing it on non ladder, so the coding is already there.
I do hope that within the week time that he states on getting us more info on timetables, all will be revealed, including the current unannounced parts of 2.5, as well as what they are looking to add to TZs.
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I agree to that,
I play mostly NL cause i dont have that much time to start over and over again. We need thus feature to be on NL as well.
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I like having ladder exclusive content.
Agreed I can not believe they think it’s a good idea to make terror zones ladder only. Fire that guy
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Why? I don’t mind if NL/SP have the same stuff at all. The only time I would mind is if it would affect the population of ladder, but I don’t think that would ever happen.
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Yeah not like they have never had ladder gated content only before…
Yeah, but wasn’t it gated to somewhat force people to play ladder? Like if the only advantage to ladder was the fresh start I think it would still retain about 99% of the players.
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I play only Nonladder (might switch to ladder once i get to level 98 or 99).
I’m too tired of people saying all the good stuff should be only on Ladder, so i’m not even gonna respond to it.
IMO Terror Zones is too big of a deal to leave it completely out of Nonladder. A big group of players (idk how many? is it 30%? 70%?) will stay on Nonladder anyway, simply because they prefer to play one hero, or boost it to max before they switch to another one. Or because they simply don’t have enough time to max out / farm on Ladder.
I agree there should be some buff/premium content to Ladder to make it worthwhile, it shouldn’t be straight up leaving whole Terror Zones for Ladder only. It’s too big of a change, it’s exactly what this game needed - to give it more challenge and nonrepetetive gameplay (not farming 1-2 spots infinitely, but 40+ spots instead, switching all the time).
A good compromise would be to give Terror Zones to both Ladder and NL, but give some boost on Ladder - like a bit more exp, better drops, higher difficulty scaling, maybe some unique rewards, new runewords… maybe some areas are on terror zones only on Ladder? Just make Ladder experience better, but don’t straight up ignore or Nonladder players - some of them will not switch. They might though stop playing instead.
I’ve heard rumours that Terror Zones will first appear on Ladder, and then, after testing & rescaling, it will be added to Nonladder as well. Seems like a fine compromise too (assuming it will be like a few weeks, or a month, not half a year or more without any concrete date).
When you play non ladder, you technically have all the time you need to level the charactor to lv 99, because you can get on that charactor for whatever amount you want to play that charactor. however, for ladder play, it has a 4-6 month duration, which means reaching lv 99 on ladder is a much harder task. So think of it this way. They are simply offer an easier way for ladder player to reach 99 while non ladder players has all the time they need
Seriously. No one is going to be angry they ARE on non ladder. But wait till you see the anger when people realize they aren’t.
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All the primary meta runewords, cubing, certain elite uniques, ect all gated to Ladder… So yeah, it was “somewhat” forced to play ladder lol
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But it won’t work. I’m not starting all my characters over and I don’t want to wait another 6 months for no reason. A lot of us are not going to play ladder, your just going to get us to stop playing all together. Which hurts diablos fan base and it’s games sales. You can have your ladder just don’t gate off content to those that don’t want to restart. It’s just a dumb idea, and it won’t work.
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Not allowing TZ in NL doesn’t solve the problem of hundreds of hours of baal runs over and over to hit 99. But you want an incentive to people leveling characters on ladder.
Solution:
X number Standard of Heroes cubed on NL → Opens Random Terror Zone (Standard of Heroes will be objectively a lot of work to gather in NL while everyone is farming ladder)
This allows:
97 → 99 to not be a job/chore on NL and will actually be fun (like a game should be).
Ladder characters can freely TZ which is 10x easier to level than NL
This creates incentives for people to TZ on ladder while having NL players work for it.
In this scenario
- I am able to continue leveling my characters once ladder is over. (If you dont hit 99 during ladder, are you screwed?)
- I am not pissed my 97 NL is dead in the water.
- Will incentivize me to create all new characters on ladder because I have zero desire to farm keys/torches on NL when ladder is 5-10x value.
That is my Ted Talk
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I think terror zones should be exclusive to ladder. After it’s done then roll it over to sp, non ladder and stuff.
There has to be incentives to playing ladder
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though i am not opposed to the idea of ladder exclusive content. I strongly disagree with the need for ladder exclusive content. Or should I say I think the need for ladder exclusive content shows some of the flaws in the diablo 2 ladder system over all. if the race to level 99 was less of a tedious grind the challenge of the race it self should be strong enough to allow ladder to be popular and successful on it own. But since to get a character to level 99 in ladder, you are going to require 8 player games doing either Baal, Diablo and now TZ runs. Now that is not necessarily a bad thing. but for the diablo 2 ladder’s race to 99 to work there needs to be something for the players who will never will or care to reach level 99 to play ladder. for some that can be the fresh start others it is exclusive content.