Magic find is useless in non-ladder

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This obviously doesn’t apply to people who are playing the game for just the pure joy of finding uniques by themselves. This do however apply to people who are stacking MF in hopes to drop something good which they can sell to other players. And I am talking non-ladder.

Please note, I am not complaining just stating the facts.

I am a casual player and I was wondering how to finish my endgame runewords. The runes are crazy expensive so I need to trade a lot in order to be able to buy them from other players. But what if I can’t sell anything ? Or just barely anything for peanuts. How do I obtain wealth in order to have my desired items ? I started to blame my bad luck for not finding anything useful even with 300% MF for weeks during hundreds of runs.

And then it hit me.

What am I even looking for with MF ? The whole point of MFing is finding uniques. And the only unique which I can think of and it’s worth something is Griffon’s Eye. Even the rarest uniques like Godfather or Tyrael’s Might are collectibles at this point. A Windforce goes for an Ist and perfectly rolled one for a Vex maximum. I am not even able to sell an Oculus or a Shako for a Pul these days. A stupid Pul ! And I don’t need a Pul. I need a Ber and a Jah and items which are worth that much.

Reason I am not able to sell anything is that the game is out for some time and the market is pretty saturated by now, so it’s harder or impossible to sell unless it’s a top tier drop like a Griffon or a perfectly rolled charm or a skiller. And what are the odds of getting a Griffon ? And you would need multiple Griffon’s to finish all the runewords you need. This is just not the way.

Obviously in the ladder the economy starts fresh and you can always sell something even junk items. This is just the nature of games with a trading system and I understand that. However I do not like to play seasons and reroll characters so I stick with non-ladder. And I need to deal with this.

So I was looking at the market to see what are the expensive items I could sell. And it’s not a surprise that they are not the uniques. A superior 4OS Grand Matron bow with +3 skills goes for 4-5 Bers. I just sold a simple ethereal Mancatcher with 4OS for a Vex. The same price as a perfectly rolled Windforce, one of the most hard to get uniques. It doesn’t seem right, but it is how it is. There are also Charms and jewels. These are the items which makes you rich. And magic find has no effect on these items. In fact, it ruins your chances of getting these.

I think most of the people here do know how Magic find works. But to recap quickly, It does not increase the amount of items a monster drops just the chance of the items dropped not being white>blue>yellow>green>gold

All the bases for high end runewords crafting are normal items. With high MF you are reducing your chance of getting these drops. You don’t want a blue Archon plate or a blue Grand Matron Bow.

There are also no white charms in the game, except the unique Gheed’s fortune which is cheap anyway. Every charm is blue so if you were to get a charm drop, it will always drop as magic whether you have 0 MF or 600.

Same for jewels. The are no white jewels in the game. There are rares and the facet’s, but that’s not what you want. You want the sweet 40% ED with 15% AS which is blue. Again a jewel will drop as blue 99,99% of the time whether you have no mf or high mf.

And last but not least there are the high runes you want. MF has no affect on rune drops at all. A Ber has the same chance to drop for everyone regardless of MF.

So if you want to still trade in non-ladder like me and get your hands on the high runes and best runewords, my advise is to drop all your MF, maximize your kill and clear speed and just go nuts in cows or chaos sanctuary. There is absolutely no point farming for uniques anymore if you are farming in hopes to sell them and get rich.

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rubs chin

On the one hand, you complain about the market being saturated, which actually drives down the cost and should make everything even more affordable for people in your situation.

On the other hand, you bring up an excellent point concerning the market value of desired runeword bases and how they are a more practical farming target than collecting uniques. Uniques that are largely already overshadowed and obsolete.

Good post.

Edit: He’s not complaining. I skimmed too quickly and missed that very definitive statement.

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No you misunderstood. I said I am not complaining , just stating the facts. This is the nature of the game when trading is available online. Items are getting cheaper and cheaper because the market is oversaturated. I understand that. But I am not in a situation to buy items. It’s vice versa, I want to just sell. I have a lvl 94 character with BiS gear and pretty good charms. However I want to finish the Pride runeword for my merc so I was farming in order to be able to afford it. Because it’s pretty expensive. And I was struggling with selling items until recently. And that’s what the post is about, to give advice to fellow Diablo players who are in a situation like me.

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Okay, fair enough. I’ll edit my post.

Also, I agree with nearly everything you’ve typed. I would say all, but I skimmed. I hope players seeking to quickly gear their characters in a saturated market take your point into consideration.

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you should always have an mf char, that way all your mercs got a vampgaze :smiley:
but yes, also have someone with optimal kill speed, for the sake of farming runes/bases

it seems like you are slowly understanding the item hunting of d2.

I want to add, that when ladders reset, this will bring TONS of free items to non-ladder. I’m talking whole accounts just dumped in a game and people clicking like maniacs to get all the sweet loot. this purge event has been the cancer of non-ladder ever since the arrival of grief, insight, and other ladder only runewords of the old days. over night ebotdz and ebotdcb went from valuable and great to being purely for pvm or completely useless relics. This was also the beginning of the smiter being something worth using, but again…only a fraction of the population had this grief and insight or infinity stuff. now these items are available to all in non-ladder which is good, but now ladder purge is around the corner. this means everything that’s valuable now will take another dive in value, thankfully this time around the ladder-only runewords arent that great. still, there will be thousands of chars being dumped in nl so the ladder players can remake for the new ladder.

I wish ladder items that got purged into nl became account-bound…

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back in 1.09 mf will make a lot of sense for you and everyone because unique

use to be good with also the rune sadly after 1.10 blizzard north leave blizzard and put a patch to screw the game making crazy op runeword make 95% of the game item useless for end game and the game become unbalance and they put the perfect item for bot too use in the game lol i think no need to name the item he all know

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I remember when enigma first came out, I hated it and loved it. I miss .09 sometimes, cause people were friendlier…like the guy who told me to go with swords cause I can use two(he had dual godfathers lol)

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a lot of player think back them The Grandfather is a good weapon but the Doombringer use to be better leech use to be very strong in 1.09 , personaly i use a good Cruel of Quickness or fury , Baranar’s Star also use to be cheap and good
with the eth rune use to be bug 100% hit target

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I totally forgot about doom bringer and ccb’s! those were pretty amazing lol

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Charms and rune farm now

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I have to say I tend to agree - but what do you do to fix?
Nerf one or buff the other, or a combo of both?

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this is call balance :rofl: now is got no balance mean no option and choice :rofl:

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ofcourse ther’s choice. you can suck because you want to use a stone crusher instead of grief. thats a choice. maybe wear arkaine instead of enigma? do you even know about arkaine’s valor? I feel like many people forgot about this armor.

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How could I. It was my favorite thing in Diablo 1.

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I loved the armor in d1, until I finally got demon spike coat in an MP game.

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That sums it up well. I do stack gold find and run travincal though, but cringe at the thought of missing the opportunity to find good bases :grimacing:

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Im with you on this MaroK

The problem right now is, Because runes wont drop, Nobody is building new characters.

So your shako is trash, You low dungos is trash, Highlords, Low maras, etc etc etc, Is all trash because their is no real market for it anymore. Nobody needs the stuff. Runes are part of the game and players are supposed to be using them to roll runewords…

So, if you cant find runes, you cant build an account. A Caster wears different gear than a melee… I dont need a hoto on my zealot. That works for a caster. But if i rolled lets say like a 33 res hoto, then i just basically lost a vex rune. Not worth it. Then it will take you a few months to find another vex.

HAHAHAHAHA

The devs on this game wrecked it… They aint even ashamed of what they did. They still patting themselves on the back for how bad they destroyed the core mechanics and item drops in this game.

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Thank you for confirming that the sky is indeed blue.

Was starting to doubt

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I love it when the terms “market” and “economy” are used with D2R.

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And that’s exactly the problem with increased drop rates that people are crying for.

Good post and I want to add that it’s always better to go for killspeed and only fit in MF when you don’t lose killspeed (Enigma/Shako yay, alibaba/wealth/rhyme nay)