I’m referring to the fact that they don’t ban for multiboxing. Everything else you said is pointless because they don’t ban for multiboxing. Whatever policy breaking act someone did along with multiboxing that got them banned doesn’t mean they got banned for multiboxing.
I know that two separate things at once is a lot for a brain like yours to handle. Maybe you should use that link you provided.
No, you’re trying to convince me that multiboxing is against Blizzard’s policy, which is incorrect.
Still waiting for that proof.
Looks like Endugu provided even more proof… yet here you are, still trying to be right. How odd it must be to be you.
I was actually hoping more people would jump into the discussion and support you. In a way disappointed, in a way glad.
Fine you made your point. I am willing to admit that multiboxing is an a grey area and it is not yet made clear that it’s against Blizzard’s policy or not. It won’t get you banned. Here I said it, just to close this issue and offer you the closure you so desperately need. YOU ARE RIGHT.
Now…let’s get to the actually interesting part for me: I am wondering what is the difference between a guy who buys multiple licenses in order to get an edge on other players and the guy who buys forum gold on jsp, also not against tos, or buying from RMT sites for the same reason?
Would multiboxing qualify as pay to win in your view? Just wondering. We settled around the legitimacy.
Tough one. I multiboxed in DAoC (bot account). It wasn’t considered pay to win to have a bot account even though I had to buy the game and pay a monthly sub for it. It was actually considered to be gimping yourself to not have a bot account… which is just weird.
I think P2W is buying your way to the endgame. Not having to play the game to end up with the best gear/setup. Because multiboxing only makes the game harder and still requires you to play to get drops, I don’t think I would call it P2W.
It is somewhat of a legal loophole that should be remedied by 1) removing the drop bonus if you aren’t within proximity of the other members of the party, or 2) add players8 as an option for everyone. I’d be fine with either… or, I’m fine if they just leave it how it is.
This was not said in a diablo forum. It was said on some random 3rd party website, by someone who doesn’t even work for Blizzard, unless the source is from somewhere else, but that source is undisclosed in that passage, on that NON-Blizzard website.
I have openly told Blizzard I multibox. I have not been banned. I stream my multibox setup openly on twitch. I don’t get banned. I have posted an unfathomable amount of links and resources to why multiboxing is fine. I don’t get banned. I’ve posted tutourials here on HOW to multibox. I don’t get banned, and those threads don’t get closed. I’ve pointed to the EULA and given solid interpretation of it.
It’s very simple.
The people you “know” who multiboxed, were also using 3rd party software, and got banned for that, not for multiboxing. They use the multiboxing as an excuse to cover up their shame. This is not rocket science. Stop being naive. People are much more volatile and there’s a lot more liars in this world than you’ll ever realize.
Of course they did. And they got banned for it. They got banned for using other software but the end goal was to multibox. Anyway…we covered the semantics on this and came to an agreement.
In reality I just wanted to point out that people obfuscate about guys using jsp and buying fg and getting items from the rmt sites, when multiboxing is just another form of pay to win and no different from the two. When you pay up to 8 times the initial amount of the game in order to have an advantage on the player base who doesn’t afford it or is not willing to pay extra for that advantage, it’s called P2W no matter how you spin it.
I’m just amazed how many people are willing to go to their wallet to get a small edge in a game, when it’s not really necessary in order to be successful . Not judging, just can’t get behind this approach and attitude.
Actually, for some like myself, we’ve turned it into an art. I don’t just load boxes in. I literally use all the characters simultaneously for baal runs. It’s not like RMT like that, especially when you do it on HC, and the risk of losing characters becomes like a billion times higher. I’ve already lost a fairly well geared BO Barbarian doing this this season.
Not everything is just RMT & Cheating man. Granted, I’m sure most people do use it for buffing, but not everyone just loads empty boxes for better drops.
I can make a character, get rushed and PL’d to 80 without ever having to do a single bit of playing. I can then go to a RMA site and buy everything I need to be geared with the best stuff available.
This is pay to win.
Using other accounts to increase drop rates while you play the game isn’t P2W because you’re still playing to get your gear in a system that is built into the game.
You can’t P2W when you play to get your gear… because you literally played to get your gear. All you’re really doing is making mobs harder and getting a leg up on the RNG gods.
Did I pay more for a nicer computer, faster internet connection and ultra-wide monitor? What if I invest time and money in a bunch of friends that log their accounts in for me to give me players8 when I solo?
All of those might also give me an edge. Are they P2W? Or am I just using the tools available in the game?
I tecently reached out to Blizzard and asked about multiboxing. As long as everything is done 100% manually in each clent (e.g. no key mirroring software/ hardware), multiboxing is allowed.
Bodach’s definition of pay-to-win is literal, but not standard. Technically, if I don’t buy a game license, I can’t play the game and can’t win. Therefore, the $40 I spent to buy my copy is p2w. (Without spending it, I can’t win.)
Buying my first license isn’t pay-to-win, its pay to play. Buying a second and third license is also pay-to-play.
I like the definition given by Lumpus of pay-to-win.
My view on this entire debate the two of you had ultimately comes down to the each of you coming at the debated “problem statement” from a different point of view and failing to see that:
You can get banned for multiboxing
You can get banned through multiboxing
Those two statements are only one word different, but have wildly different meanings. Zaman was simply saying that someone can get banned through the practice of multiboxing (particularly if done in a way that violates the ToS), and then arguing the implications thereof. Lumpus was arguing against the point that someone can get banned specifically for multiboxing in D2R. The points are nuanced, but both are valid. Words have meaning, an the meaning of words are important, especially in a nuanced discussion.
As to the question of is multiboxing Pay to Win? No, it’s not. I agree with the earlier assessment and definition posted by Lumpus. Buying gear, buying levels, or buying power in such a way that skips gameplay is Pay to Win. D2R has no built in game mechanics that allow for P2W as there is no way to buy items, levels, or power, you have to actually play the game. This stands in stark contrast to the practice some in D2LOD/D2R some participate in of using RMT to buy items on 3rd party sites, that is, in fact P2W, as it is using money to buy items without playing the game. This includes the practice of buying FG to then buy items without playing the game. I don’t have a problem with a 3rd party trade site that simply trades in game items for in game items, however, anytime there is real money used or the ability to carry over riches from one season to another, that violates the concept of “playing the game to find items”.
I like to visualize this debate/question of Play to Win as a sliding scale upon which you can place games or features within a game. The scale looks something like this:
Free to Play------------------------------------|------------------------------------Pay To Win
On one side you have games that are absolutely free to play, on the other side you have games like Diablo Immortal. Some people might find particular features or games more P2W than other stuff. This is an interesting and important concept to consider. However, one thing we can all agree on is that RMTing and spending money on items is a bad thing.
You can probably find the post on the old D2:LoD forums. But Blizzard has addressed the multi boxing issue. Their stance basically is. Yes you are allowed to load multiple clients on onto one PC, however you will get banned if you are caught using any programs or scripts to automate any aspect of your play including game creation/joining.
It’s more than a word, it’s the entire concept. Is multiboxing really relevant to why they got banned if they weren’t banned for multiboxing? Doing something illegal doesn’t make everything you were doing at the same time also illegal.
