So you dont use your fg accumulated from each ladder start to gear a Non-ladder character?
You delete your FG at the end of ladder or give it away?
Cmon dude… Get real.
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Nope. I don’t even use mules.
Got D2R a month ago and just have one character right now and it’s on singleplayer. I might make a Holy Shock Paladin online just for the heck of it though, but I’ll be SSF. I’m not a hardcore player really and I don’t purposefully grind for BiS. I probably won’t even do ladder either if I make that Pally online.
Right now I’m playing offline Singleplayer with a Holy Freeze Zealadin and liking it. I still die here and there and I stopped using my merc because it just costs too much raise him because I don’t have great gear for him as I am in Act 5 NM right now.
So no, I won’t be cheating. Lol.
I have a second account and I just transfer the fgs on it so I don’t have to remember at how much I was before.
I don’t think you understand, what’s the point in cheating? Where’s the fun?
The part of the game I enjoy the most is when I’m beginning hell with my crap gear made of very low rw and useless items and I struggle to stay alive.
After that, I enjoy a lot beginning to farm and to trade so my char gets massive power up at each item I manage to get.
I’m not a whale btw but even if I was one why would I buy everything without farming? Where’s the fun? The end game is just about farming since I don’t really like PvP. When my gear reaches the point where I just clear the game by rolling my head on my keyboard I just quit until next season.
If I was buying everything I needed at the start I’ll just play 3 days and quit.
I don’t understand people who cheats on this game.
That is NOT the definition of cheating.
Cheating is to act dishonestly or unfairly in order to gain an advantage, especially in a game or examination.
Half of the things you mention are not unfair or dishonest because everyone can access them and they make no attempt to conceal their actions also, they are well known methods of play and have been for decades.
What you describe is simply petty children not being able to play the game without using a handicap to get what they want.
That being said, I personally enjoy a much more SSF experience to start with and even after the fact, I rarely trade because I prefer to find my own stuff. No better feeling than finding your first High Rune of the season… (Season 1 mine was a Gul in “Hell Crystalline Passage”) While leveling.
Most ordinary players don’t know many of these things exist. Thus they are at a disadvantage to people who do know about them. And that’s basically the definition of unfair. I mean, that’s how cheat codes work. You know a cheatcode, you can use it to beat a game with no effort, which is unfair to people who try to beat the game without using a code.
If you’re not using the game and the game alone, you’re cheating. No forum golds, no automation, no nothing that the game doesn’t give you. Your argument that everyone can use JSP doesn’t mean using JSP isn’t cheating. It’s external to the game, and no one playing the game is or should be expected to use an external tool to win.
The worst part is you can’t even trade with others because if they got items by illegitimate means, trading with anyone else potentially contaminates your game with cheating.
Unfortunately being at toon cap of 20, I’ll be focused on non ladder hardcore mostly. Might try to use the terrorized zones to get all my toons to 99.
They must raise the toon cap.
I see your point but, it really doesn’t take much effort to find out what JSP is and how it works so it’s still not really unfair in my opinion. That being said I’m not much of a fan of JSP. I don’t really care to be honest since personally, I play much more SSF.
I understand your frustration but just because newer players don’t KNOW about JSP doesn’t mean they don’t have access to it. Which means it’s still TECHNICALLY fair.
Is it fair that people who know how to trade on the stock market do so and make a fortune and yet, people who don’t are left out?
There is a fine line between what is fair and what is unfair but, by definition it’s still fair. IT IS however bullcrap that people use JSP to their advantage. I wouldn’t dispute that.
The point is it’s not an effort that should be required of the player in the first place, even if it’s easy to find out.
I had never even heard of jsp until Resurrected and I played D2 since LOD came out. it honestly disgusts me all this time that people were using some external currency for trading rather than means provided by the game. (And at first it hought it was straight up some kind of cheating tool, rather than a forum).
No one should be or feel required to use external tools to play the game. The game should stand on its own.
(And no, i’m not talking about single player or (pre resurrected) open mods, which are allowed because they are isolated from the standard experience)
It shouldn’t be required and, it’s not. It’s a personal choice people make. You played the game blissfully unaware JSP existed as you said.
I had never even heard of jsp until Resurrected and I played D2 since LOD came out.
JSP was not a requirement for you to play the game, you enjoyed it just the same. What you are dealing with is anger and frustration that you played the game unaware that other people played in a way you disapproved of.
Again though, It’s not like I disagree, JSP is crap and ruins the economy of the game. It’s just not technically cheating to do so. Although Blizzard COULD release a statement condemning the use of JSP and also, added a line about it in their TOS explicitly stating that…
(use of the JSP website is prohibited, proof of use of it for trading in any of the game owned by Blizzard will be banned")
They’ve not done this and they really should. Though it’d be hard to enforce which is an entirely different can of worms altogether.
Just because I wasn’t aware doesn’t mean it wasn’t affecting the game. The primary reason I didn’t know was because I rarely traded with others, thus I incidentally avoided their influence. It doesn’t mean it’s not harmful to the game as a whole. It will cause people who discover it and are against cheating to wonder how much people have been tampering with their gameplay up until now.
So you mass accumulate FG at the end of the season, that you put on an alternate account, multi much? Scam much?
I don’t believe you for a second you are some white knight advocating for FG use only at the beginning of ladder, then you just throw the rest of the FG on an alternate account that does nothing because you faceroll the game.
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this was true in the original game, but the thing u agree to for this game thats not the case.
He scams on jsp with his multi account.
Again, it is still not technically cheating. although I suppose you COULD say it’s walking the line.
It’s not tampering with anyone’s gameplay, it’s one of the reasons why enforcing a JSP ban would be near impossible. The only people who really know someone is using it is if they actually make a trade with other people using the same method, so they’d both be guilty so, neither would ever report it.
The one and only TRUE way to remove JSP from our lives would be to encourage Blizzard to issue a Legal request straight to the owner of JSP to remove any forum used to negotiate trades in their environments for his online currency (which he technically makes money from) and issue warnings of further legal action for non-compliance.
A lawsuit from a company like Blizzard would be a massive problem for JSP. For Blizzard it would be advantageous because they’d get a lot of praise from it.
can’t play ladder no character slot. missed this current season too becuz said reason. dont want blizz to make more money from me so im not buying another copy of d2r
When I play D2R, I’m not afraid to admit that I use JSP on a regular basis. Why would I put myself in a bad position by actively avoiding it? It’s not my responsibility to level the playing field for everyone and the devs obviously have had no problem with it for the last what, 15-20 years? If they provide a better alternative I’m all for it but until that happens, JSP it is.
I also can’t help but laugh at these painfully virtuous moral GODS who willingly charsi high runes and ‘only use JSP within ethical boundaries’, set by them of course and whoever crosses their imaginary line is devil incarnate.
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The thing is, it is. Just because we can’t necessarily do anyting about it, doesn’t mean it hasn’t been harmful for the game. It’s a matter of principle. Most people don’t want to play with anyone that they view as having cheated or otherwise abused the system, or taken advantage of tools that ordinary players don’t know exist. It’s unfair to people who don’t use these things, because the people who do have an advantage on the ladder. Now, not everyonec ares about getting rank 1, in fact only a handful actually do, but for those people, it’s a particualrly significant issue.
I mean we can argue fine details all day, but you really shouldn’t be defending this stuff. Even if you want to just say it’s kind of sort of a grey area kinda maybe sort of, it just really isn’t a good thing.
It’s kinda like parsing in Final Fantasy XIV. All third party tools are officially against the terms of service. Parsing battle performance, even though it’s entirely clientside, is often used to toxic ends. But you can’t really get banned for it unless you stream yourself doing it or publicly admit to it in game, since it can’t be detected. Originally, the game’s producer said he doesnt have an issue with using parse data for self improvement- which put it in this kind of a gray area. But recently, people have been getting banned for it.
It’s just another example of something that doesn’t directly affect the gameplay, but nonetheless can have a bad influence.
Sir, I’m in no way defending JSP or the use of it, please don’t misunderstand me.
I hate the effect that JSP has had on the community. If JSP was banned tomorrow I’d whoop with glee and pour myself a drink in celebration.
I’m just being pragmatic. JSP will sadly never go away because the people using it are not technically cheating and the JSP site walks too fine a line to force compliance outside of a lawsuit.
Also, I feel like this conversation sort of deviated from the original topic.
I personally will be doing mostly SSF until I beat Hell Baal with my starter, then I’ll trade HRs for anything I couldn’t find myself.
I had a lot of fun with Orb/Hydra Sorc in Season 1 as my starter and I’ll start with her again but, instead of going for a smiter next, I’ll be gearing up a Javazon after start.
The smiter did his job well but, with the changes to Dclone, it wasn’t hard to get anni’s and cheap torches were worth Ist to Gul so I don’t really need a smiter this season.
If I have enough time for a 3rd character I might try a FOH pally since I never got to play it in Season 1.
I mean, I get it, you just take issue with the use of the word cheating. But it’s a matter of perspective. things like using forum golds to trade- for one, it adds a real money influence to the game, something a lot of people object to as pay-to-win. I realize there’s no much you can do to prevent that, people have said things like “ill do this thing in the game for you for 20 bucks” since before the internet. But that doesn’t mean it’s a good thing.
Whether you want to call it cheating or call it soemthing else, many people see it as detrimental to the quality of the experience and the community.
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its like smoking very addictiv