Even the crickets are gone. All that’s left are tumbleweeds… And massive amounts of RMT spam.
Great job remastering the game for RMT botters, Blizzard. The humans have largely deserted the game.
Yeah but bots aren’t the only reason.
Crappy implementations of TZ, Sunder, Mosaic. Changing Shifters and Whirlwind for the worse. Changing PvP mechanisms…
They took D2 and instead of just focusing on improving and fine tuning the game, they drove it right into the next wall.
They aren’t even consistent… Why nerf Shockwave bear, but implement mosaic sin? Why nerf any Bear build, druid or not? Why nerf every WW barb build beside dual wield swords WW barb?
They don’t listen and they don’t know what they are doing. They can’t even implement their changes correctly as we have seen plenty of times with facets working on traps, or TC on TZ bossmobs.
They don’t act like professionals, they behave like rookies. There is no reason to come to the forum anymore, since they don’t want to listen anyway.
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As much as I love Diablo, maybe it’s just time to move on to something else.
Yep, it seems when you put a game in the hands of modern Blizzard, they will blend it.
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How do bots affect your enjoyment of the game?
The game has open trading…
You tell me?
tHe eCoNoMy iS BrOkEn
Seriously though you can’t ask them that, because somehow just because botters exist, it changes the way their progression through normal-nightmare-hell went and somehow it gave them perfect end game gear and somehow it leveled their characters to 99.
Botters are giving you free items? They don’t make you trade for them or RMT them?
Botting ruined D2R for me.
I don’t want to play hardcore (there’s less bots but not my style), and there’s no SSF league etc.
I worked VERY hard farming high runes, and then the bots came and debased all my effort.
Sucks…
Debased in what way? Do your runes no longer make runewords? Do they not function? Sorry but you have exactly what you would have regardless of if bots did or didn’t exist. It makes zero difference that somene out there has 10 mules of high runes to you.
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whiners gonna whine…
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This basically sums it up. If there were little to no bots on Battle Net holding any high rune gives you 100x the dopamine rush compared to right now.
It would be a night and day difference in how you experience the game.
I just checked a website, Ber runes on ladder going for .45 cents. I could grind for hours daily for weeks, and when I finally find that Ber rune, it’s been reduced down to “cool, I just busted my a** off to find 45 cents”.
Imagine a game where botters have been around so long, that some players actually say they “don’t matter” and “don’t affect your game”, or even downright defend their existance.
Oh wait, that’s this game… No imagining required. Nevermind.
Makes me wonder if these same players are in on the RMT shenanigans and don’t want to see their free money well dry up.
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if you don’t buy runes for cash they don’t impact you at all.
and my feeling is that even if they remove all bots and item sellers you will still find something to complain about and not be happy.
just go play the game 'cuz it looks like you spend more time on the forums than in game.
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I’ve explained this to a lot of people. Some people understand but other people don’t, so I’m going to try again.
There’s a player economy, And that economy is largely influenced by scarcity. Scarcity is the economic concept that resources are scarce… you can’t just get anything you want with no effort and that makes some things more valuable than other things. Also in the real world there are not unlimited amounts of everything, and that is one big difference but still scarcity exists in games.
So when I do 3k runs in trav on a hork barb, and amass a lot of wealth that makes me stand out. I now have a lot of wealth because I put in a lot of effort. I can trade that ber rune for a lot.
Now if someone comes in and bots 300 ber runes, suddenly there is more supply on the market. My ber rune is worth less ber runes relative to everything else.
They have devalued my effort. Surely a ber is worth a ber, and a ber is still worth 2x mals (or so), but with that many more bers it takes less lower value items to trade for that ber.
So for example if bots have a mountain of ber runes it is more conceivable that someone could trade less perfect gems for those ber runes. You see?
Also and the other even more important issue is the halo effect. If I work hard for an item I stand out to to the community. “Look at my gear I worked so hard for. My effort is special because I worked harder than you did on average.”
But with bots that goes right out the window. Suddenly hard work doesn’t make you stand out anymore.
Does any of this make sense?
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lol, you are delusional if you think anybody cares
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I think you’ll understand better if we talk about the concept of inherent value.
Certain things in life have inherent value. Like say a bar of gold has inherent value. It is very valuable, very scarce, and has a ton of industrial uses, and can be used in art.
So if I farm an Enigma, and wear it proudly, and then suddenly I’m surrounded by people who also have an Engima that didn’t work hard for it because it came from bots then suddenly the inherent value of my gear is less.
And it’s even worse if you realize that ladder is supposed to be competitive. We are competing to get the best gear, and someone else cheated to get that gear, and devalued my effort.
Does that make sense?
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Those who play the trade game, bots affect the prices of their items.
When a human spends time grinding for items, they factor in their time spent into the value of the item found. Bots don’t care about the time they spend finding items for their human masters.
Stop trying to play down the bot problem as not being as bad as it actually is.
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What is sad is that this conversation we are having with the “pro botters” on here isn’t being done in good faith.
I don’t think they will understand even on a purely ethical level why botting ruins the game.
And that’s why we have so many botters. They can’t understand the damage they do to this game.
If any of these people worked VERY hard for a promotion at work and got a new sports car, and then suddenly god snapped his fingers and gave everyone else the same sports car, I’m sure they would feel upset.
But they won’t see how botting in D2R is very similar to the hypothetical situation I just outlined above.
The scarcity of your ber is only based off it’s proximity to when you found it. Early ladder nobody has anything, late ladder everyone has everything. Every second your ber sits in your inventory it would lose value with or without bots in the game. If you find a ber just before ladder resets vs just after there is a huge difference in how rare it is especially considering outside of rare helms and rings and crafted ammulets most items are not that rare.
And you never once ever stood out in this game with your end game build unless perhaps you were of the very top of the top in rare items amassed as well as perfect charms or incredibly rare items. Your basic hork barb farming all day long, your character was the same as 90% of the rest of the players.
Someone having 300 bers also doesn’t change how far your ber was to go. If I have 300 and I sell them for 1 ist a piece, then I’m going to sell out in seconds, if I have 300 and I sell at 80ists each, then I’m not going to get a ton of sales. Regardless the average price of ber isn’t set by the individual, your ber was always worth the same thing. Anytime you got extra value for it, you were ripping someone off, anytime you get less value for it you were getting ripped off, even if both parties left happy.
And again nobody has ever looked at your gear and cared at all is my guess. With the exception of the gambling event most players have never had anything that one should envy that much. So your hard work never stood out except perhaps to noob idiots who don’t know how to play, and again fooling fools isn’t impressive.
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I’ve already solved the problem for myself… I play SSF. I am my own economy.
Now, if we could just get Blizzard to get off of their bum and make a SSF ladder a reality.
I get that botting is crappy and is very bad. It however does not affect you. I’d be all for blizzard caring, but they never will. So why stress it? It was the same in LOD? Hell it is the same in almost every game. You cannot stop the cheaters, bots, maphacks, aim bots, walls, whatever. None of the companies seem to care.
Sounds like you should be happy everyone got a sports car, meanwhile you’re crying cuz you can’t pretend to be superior, even though most of them were content with their hyundai sonatas more than you were with your sports car.
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