Have no clue what you’re talking about but it seems like psycho purist nonsense. I reported you for attacking me personally instead of discussing the topic at hand (personal insults, ad hominem).
I am also adding you to my ignored list, enjoy.
Counter Strike was an FPS game and a mod at some point. You actually did have to pay for CS:GO but soon turned FTP because of TF2 and other valve games(Which made the games worse cause then you have squeakers playing).
Most Free to Play mobile games have to have some sort of income stream. Rather it’s cosmetics or other means. If you don’t like it then don’t play/pay.
I hate to break it to most people especially when people were complaining when Blizzard said, don’t you have a mobile phone? Yes, I get it, it’s a bummer that a new Diablo game is going to mobile but you must understand the large markets(Asian[And I don’t mean just China), most of them, if not majority, of their population have smart phones.
They are tapping into a market that is untapped for blizzard. Was I mad that a new Diablo game was going to a cell phone? Yes but I ain’t going to cry about it and whine about it over and over again like some man children around here. It’s a game that isn’t for me and I leave it like that.
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We can hope they all go to play/pay that game all they want. Leave this game be.
Good Bye, Have Fun
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they probably already remove servers from their other games to move them to D2 I
crazy too see how broke they re that they cant afford new servers
D2 R servers for example are way to unstable
but a mod will tell you that its all intended & working fine
edit : imagine they will rank above NCSOFT soon as worst company XD
it’s not my opinion, its a fact.
Don’t talk about p2w and it will go away, 4200 more posts and I am sure you will figure that out.
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Just out of curiosity is it possible to beat the game without paying or is the P2W a PayWall cause those are 2 different things cause a paywall means you cant progress at all no matter what unless you pay cause Ill play through the game for the story if I can actually beat the game without paying for some paywall
oh god, paywalls…didnt that start with candycrush? I dont play phone games aside from osrs, cause it’s all a cash grab
I dunno, I had some extension I was able to add to firefox that gave my unlimited power ups lol and used to play on facebook but I was on a PC
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Says the one with 64 posts who elected to ignore the tiny fact that I didn’t start this thread. No doubling of a post count can cure ignorance.
By your definition, Diablo 3 is also pay to win. I can pay someone to level up my character and get the season rewards for me.
It’s not semantic: pay-to-win has a functional definition that refers to the design and mechanics of the game itself - not what you can do through 3rd parties. You’re trying to muddy waters that are sparkly clear.
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and where did the items come from? how were the chars leveled? oh right, using a method available to all players without the need of money.
pay to win is not buying something from someone else, pay to win is buying something only available from the ingame store and this SOMETHING is far superior compared to EVERYTHING you can possibly find.
so if you buy a shako and an enigma thats not pay to win, you just paid someone else for their time and effort.
but if Bnet offers a super enigma that’s indestructible with +50 all res, damage reduced by 57, magic damage reduced by 57, and +25% magic res? THAT is pay to win. why? because you can only get it by paying the people running the server/game for it, and you cant get it any other way(it doesnt drop and cant be made by players).
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Pay to win is a phrase used to refer to mechanics specifically implemented by the company where you can pay to gain an edge vs. non paying players. This is not the same as paying to cheat. Account sharing is against the ToS.
The issue here is writing pay 2 win into a business model of a game, and how that effects the experience. Cheating is a side issue/problem.
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sadly, this is where blizzard, hell the whole industry is going…more and more crappy gacha phone games that have predatory p2w/p2shortcut designs. it’s low effort and investment for huge profits, what’s better than that? it will get to the point that every new game will be like this. is that what people really want? seriously? by the looks of this thread, i guess so lol.
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I dont play p2w games, and I dont download them or buy them either. when by chance, I get one, I uninstall it.
D2 thankfully is not p2w, I enjoy many aspects of d2. I want minions and mercs to deal full dmg to bosses. uniques, and minions of uniques. that nerf crap is nonsense. half of a half is a quarter which means minions deal a quarter of dmg to targets. ravens deal a quarter of ther dmg to diablo for example. thats bogus.
D2R is only P2W by player community who wanted to monetize the game itself. The feature wasn’t intended by the Developers so its not the same thing. Now, if Blizzard operated these P2W sites outside of their game then yes, it would be Blizzard P2W feature. Instead its just folks breaking the rules to make cash. Completely different imo.
Lol just watched a few videos on al lthe p2w features on D:I and I’m like, the f kind of greed is this? I’ll be passing on Immortal, and it will definitely influence how I treat Diablo 4 in the future. I’ll have to wait a few months after release so I can get significant information on how the game play will be and become. If it has any resemblance to Immortal I won’t even consider D4 exist.
This is always the best approach as a consumer. Wait and see how the game turns out.
D4 is currently limited trade with no paid transactions other than possibly cosmetics.
They kind of have one of every model for the Diablo franchise at this point.
D2/D2R - full open trade (which allows evil RMT even if against the rules), no cosmetics or mtx.
D3 - anything good is Account bound, no purchasable cosmetics or mtx.
D:I - free game with MTX and paid cosmetics. Not sure on trading…
D4 - limited trade, MTX restricted to only cosmetic type things. Not sure payment model yet.
Ah ok … great logic lol
Screw prevention, wait for the damage to be done before warning about it
Have you heard about Sonic movie?
It was heading for a disaster and people complained, they changed their approach before releasing it and it ended up a success because of this
You cants rerelease a game for the first time
Gamers are idiots. This thread is a nice example. They’ve truly been blinded into accepting mobile p2w, microtransactions, and DLC as acceptable means of game design. They also have been fooled into believing it’s necessary or every game company ever would go bankrupt and no games would be made anymore.
lol
Idiot capitalists with zero critical thinking skills. They complain about the state of modern gaming, while not realizing mobile games like Diablo Immortal are part of the problem. We were doomed the moment Bethesda started with that Oblivion Horse Armor fiasco.
And if people don’t think things like this will affect future games, like the trash that will be Diablo 4, then you are delusional and don’t understand how late-stage capitalism functions.
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