How to submit a suggestion? [DownGrade runes ability needed]

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How to submit a suggestion? [DownGrade runes ability needed]

Hello, 20 year vet here. I did a google search as to how to submit a suggestion to bnet, it seems they dont want them. wow nice company. there was some random us.battlenet page. said to post suggestions here. so maybe yall know what the proper way is? plz lmk.

So here is the issue. and look i dont really want many replies on this, im not really looking for feedback from the community on this, i do not care or want this to be a conversation, because i dont have time to deal with neighsayers. I just need this to be done, ASAP. this should have been done 1 year after original launch, but never was.

[DownGrade runes ability needed]
and yes, i dont care if it someone thinks, it would the economy, I disagree.
my argument is the current way things are with no ability to downgrade runes, is hurting the economy and people soo bad, its not even funny.
Example you hold multiple zod runes, people give them away at a current value of ist rune. same with cham. Yet these are the 2 highest and rarest runes in the game. not valuable at all, in the least. Only traders really understand these concepts. The 2 most valuable in the game are Jah, Ber, and proably Lo rune. The reason these are valuable is because EVERYONE wants to make the sacred runeword [Enigma] Jah,Ith,Ber, why? so they can add the teleport ability to say amazon, ok, great got it.

Im just go on a limb here and try and guesstimate the original intentions of the original creators of the game, and how they would feel, about the current state of the market, and weather they intended on this or not.
That zod, and cham runes, are now basically useless pieces of trash, meant to be essentially tossed away, or sold to akara, bcuz nobody wants them at all. I think if the original creators knew and understood these facts, they would not be happy about that, but clearly that may be under speculation.

My intended solution to this issue, would be to allow online users, to now have a new recipe that would allow users to downgrade runes, for the first time in 20 years. meaning a zod could bcome 2 cham, and a cham could become 2 jah.

Why is this relevant now? d2r came out a few years ago. many other diablo 2 mod client games have now been released, giving us all the features that we ever could have imagined. we know that change does not come easily. for example in the united states 20 years ago marryJane was fully illegal, but we got together, raised our voices, and made it legal in many states, now we have legal weed shops everywhere.

The same is true for this game, we can advocate for change, if our voices, reach the developers, they cant do, unless, we are loud enough. Take for example auto gold pickup. The reason, this became a thing in D2R, was because everyone on classic d2, was using a cheat essentially, and the devs realised this after 20 years, that everyone wanted the ability, to pickup items automatically. very simple, and finally they just put it into the game. we also had map hack clients, and many many others.

But what this game needs, is every now and then, NEW FEATURES, added to the game, that would be extremely helpful, and relevant.
How can devs find those things? 1. listen to the people. 2. look at all the different D2 mod clients available now, and take note, of all the different kinds of changes, that people are making.

This change needs to happen now. Dear devs please take this post seriously. ty.

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Blizzard has largely been ignoring this game and the community for 2 years and counting, pretty much since Robert Gallerani left Blizzard. They’ve had little interest in doing any further work on this game because 99% of people who will ever have interest in this game have already purchased it. The only significant future revenue from this game will be from botters rebuying the game after banwaves.

Yes, I think a 1:1 rune downgrade option would be a good addition, along with the following:

1: Make it a flat 2x runes to upgrade across the board, along with removing the gem requirement for upgrading.

2: Since rune downgrading will need something else along with the rune to work in the cube, add a gem requirement for downgrading.

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I see you are new.

This idea has been part of the DII zeitgeist for over a decade.

It’s never going to happen.

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at this point, i don’t think they’re taking suggestions. we still have mosaic FFS.

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I’ll take as many zods and chams as you have for ist rune each, don’t sell them to akara, thanks!

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I posted this exat thing years ago and I want to point something out that cannot be allowed to happen.

Downgrading the runes would cause infinite runes to be made because what happens when you break down a ZOD to 2 cham is now you break 2 cham down into 4 JAH,and this continues so you wind up getting back more than you started with.

The downgrade has to only become 1 rune

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Downgrading would be a good thing.
Of course, it has some problems that are reflected in the rune words.
This is because the value of the runes depends on the value of the runic words, among other things.
A JAH is not the most expensive rune because it is the most difficult to find, but because the rune words are strong as a result.

That would shake up the RMT market. Then all runes would gain massively in value via JAH runes, especially if, for example, a ZOD rune could end up becoming 4 JAH and 8 BER runes.

Of course, you can find these runes yourself once in a blue moon, but the RMT market would then have to be dried up, or even those sites that trade in forum gold, at least as far as runes are concerned.

But it would also calm things down and make the runes accessible to more players.

RMT for runes is nothing more than a currency exchange. You give dollars, British pounds, euros, roubles etc. and exchange them for runes, which then represent the currency in the game. Runes in D2 are also a kind of store currency, only without a store…

The store has been outsourced and privatized, so to speak, and is hidden invisibly behind the game, but then very noticeably in the game through trading with it.

The players have used the runes to create their own kind of currency in the game.
The rating scale is the value of the rune words + the difficulty of finding the runes.

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Which would of course destroy the game. If rune downgrading ever officially becomes a reality (I doubt it), it must be a 1:1 downgrade ratio.

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With a gradation of 1:1, it basically makes no sense for high-end runes.

This would be a help if you need a lower rune from endless small runes and don’t want to pick them up. Or turn Io runes into Hel runes to reset RW.

Nobody will downgrade a JAH to a BER, or even further down. Cham to JAH maybe… But how often do you find such high runes?

Lo Ber I’ve seen, where I found the Ber myself alone and the Lo dropped in a group game on the way to the Summoner and was bagged by whom.

ZOD, CHAM, JAH etc. are actually far too rare for the normal player to make a huge profit when leveling at a ratio of 1:2.

You also have to pay a lot to upgrade from the middle rune range to something higher, and here too it hurts far too much to make a Sur out of 2 Lo. The normal player is not the problem here and would only be penalized with a 1:1 gradation.

The problem is, as always, the bots and the RMT.

Anyone who buys a cham there at a lower price could then wonderfully undermine the entire game mechanics, or would simply be well advised to buy only high runes and then be able to do everything themselves without any worries by grading. But this would guarantee that CHAM/ZOD runes would suddenly increase dramatically in real money trading.

We keep coming back to the same problems of why you can’t do this. From within the game itself, without the whole cheat system via bots/RMT/dupes/forum gold etc., none of this would be an issue.

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The whole idea is it being an available option. Making it a 1:1 downgrade sacrifices a higher rune to make it one rung lower.

Making it a 1:2 downgrade is a downright ridiculous idea, for someone who finds a Zod could break it down the chain to have 1 cham, 2 jah, 4 ber, 8 sur, 16 lo, 32 ohm, 64 vex, 128 gul, 256 ist… And so on, all just from 1 zod rune and a whole lot of time spent downgrading runes and muling them all.

And yes, I have found a Zod rune before. I’ve found two Ber runes before, nearly back to back being only a few games apart.

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There needs to be a loss of value when downgrading runes, and not an insignificant one like gems, otherwise only the few top runes would have any value (Vex and below would be considered entirely worthless and likely not even picked up when dropped).

I am not saying it absolutely needs to be half of the rune’s value, for example you could imagine requiring a rune 2 grades below the rune being downgraded for the cube recipe, but it needs to not be insignificant.

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I had 3 jah runes before i found my first ber rune with my current SP save. Would without a doubt downgrade 1 jah to have enigma directly instead of potentially find a spare use for them later down the road. Would even sacrifice a second jah for a ber to get infinity quicker. If it were in the game. I am not that hardline anti change that some may think.

I am however a firm believer of that good things come to those who wait (no afking in town while posting about /px or increasing drop rate of runes does not count as waiting)

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I understand you, but it also shows the weakness of the system.

It’s not a clean solution.

So if you wanted to make it better and simpler, then upgrading would have to work just as well.