Probably asked and answered many times before, but I’m looking for current information.
Is 15% ED really needed for a Uber-Trist Smiter using a Phase Blade? Does it really make the run much quicker?
I currently have a 5os PB in inventory (had it on about the 2nd day, but have never been able to trade it for even pgems). So, if I don’t need the 15% ED, I already have the base.
But, if the 15% ED is really worth it, what is the current fair price to pay for such a blade (in runes)?
Thanks!
No because you are rolling for +dmg so just make as many griefs until you get a +dmg and attack speed you are satisfied with.
no in reality it isn’t worth it but for people obsessed with perfect gear they chase after every bit of stat/res/damage that they can. plus superior bases aren’t hard to find or trade for. 5 os 15% PB can probably be traded for a Um/Mal/Ist/Gul
15% Ed has also 0 effect on smite, isn’t it?
15% Ed on garbage base dmg that a PB has is basically worthless and results in like 2 dmg?
%ed on a berserker axe makes more sense
ED% from weap does nothing for Smite, correct.
Yes, effect from superior PB is miniscule but there is a huge market for perfect bases useful or not.
Thanks everyone for the helpful comments. I’d forgotten how much I’ve forgotten about D2! 
Forgive my ignorance (or bad memory is more like it), does that mean it’s better to use a BA with ED than a PB for grief? Or should I have read and understood that ED does not impact Smite damage in any way? I guess I’m asking what is the best possible “basic” base for Grief.
Not trying to be pedantic, but Lo for me right now is a pretty hefty investment and I want to make sure I make the best possible (yet affordable) weapon I can get. Thanks!
All he’s saying is the 15% ED gives bigger bonus to Berserker Axe since it has much higher base damage. But yes ignore it, either way using PB or BA with or without superior ED% you will have exact same Smite damage…
Technically BA is more superior than PB because it provides more longer smite range. This is not as important in PvM but still your choice. Keep in mind Grief PB with any IAS% roll naturally hits max smite frames without any extra IAS whereas you’ll need 14-24% IAS outside of Grief depending on how the IAS% gets rolled on a BA.
Ugh. Something else I’ve forgotten about the game. Man, getting old ain’t for sissies… (sorry Blizz, I meant no disrespect, just an old saying in the South).
Guess I’ll need to research smite frames and make sure I gear for that.
I’m only using the Smiter for organ bosses and Uber-Trist. I do have a 5os BA on hand as well as my 5os PB, so it sounds like I should use the BA, just to eke out a bit more “area” damage?
There’s no area damage, just reach. But no research is needed, like I said if you make it with the PB you don’t have to use any gear with IAS%, very simple. It is only BA where you’ll have to just get up to 24% elsewhere (easy to get from hlords + IAS% jewel from helm) in case your BA rolls worst possible 30% IAS.
Another thing to consider with a PB over BA is a PB has no durability so you never need to repair it and Smite degrades weapon durability rather quickly.
Psh, Charsi is on my payroll, free repairs 4 lyfe
For me, it isn’t about the cost. It is about the annoyance of having to repair. 
Your question is the same one I had before making my weapon. But my research led me to discover that even with ‘budget’ weapons and gear, the ubers were nowhere as difficult as many believe.
I opted for a reg PB and after several runs of the Ubers, I can safely say you really don’t need the extra dmg. They went down surprisingly fast.
Unless you’re putting together a showpiece smiter with ultra gear, you’re pretty safe choosing a plain PB.
you don’t even particularly need grief for a smiter build. grief is for zealots.
none of grief’s effects will provide any extra damage to smite, and it’s attack speed bonus only applies to attacks made with the grief weapon itself.
what makes it excellent for ubers is the super fast attack speed and zeal giving lots of attacks, combined with crushing blow.
the +damage does even though it doesn’t show on tooltip,
smite uses weapon attack speed
wtf Eithris, STOP. i know you are a newer player but this is now two threads in a row you are posting some crap…
https://www.diabloii.net/forums/threads/does-griefs-damage-add-to-smite.351736/
i didn’t know this
i’ve read several different places that IAS on weapons only applies to that weapons attacks, and that smite uses IAS from the rest of your gear.
no… +damage works straight up with Smite and there is nothing weird about IAS and Smite, it works very straightforwardly.
The only weird IAS interactions are regarding WW and Werebear/Werewolf. In these cases, the attack speeds are ONLY determined by base weapon speed and IAS% ONLY on the weapon.
so does that mean the IAS on my Lightsaber phase blade makes my paladin’s smite faster too?
yes. and easy to test if seeing is believing for you, equip a plain old PB (7 FPS) and then equip lightsabre (6 fps). this is why smiters that use grief pb don’t care about the IAS% from the weapon because even with worst roll of 30% it automatically reaches max 6 FPS smite.