Getting rid of "ladder only" items/runewords

Maybe you misunderstood me or I wasnt clear with my opinion. I am not against giving access to ladder only rune words to Single player and nonladder. I dont like limitations myself. I just think that players do not play ladder for ladder only items, there are other reasons. I remember a lot of players who played hardcore ladder and they never had good top rune words. So I think you are wrong about reasons.

But if you active ladder only words on non ladder, ladder players should get something new. Doesnt have to be items.

Well there are people who play it for items which cannot be found on NL too. I am sure of that. I just think its not majority.

i am calling completely BS on this… No, you cant…

not according to statistics and the actual drop rates

the best chance to drop a jah rune in the game is a hell wraith
1:318908 chance
the best chance
to get a ber is
1:356143

in a 31 day month in the best case scenario you would need to kill 11,488 hell wraiths per day, every day, for a month, to get 1 “ber” on “average”

so no… while it may be theoretically possible to get a jah and a ber on the 10th and 576th monster you kill in hell… in “reality” that’s not happening

Well it depends on luck too. you can start farming hell in day 2. then you have like 28 days to farm, so its definitely possible. But I dont think its guaranteed.

i mean thats how probability works, it could be a 1 in a googolplex chance and its still “theoretically possible” to get it within the first 100 tries.

I already talked about it somehwere else, One of my friends found all uniques with exception like 5 of them and all runes with exception of Zod in 2 months of playing. He had Enigma after 1 month, actualy even sooner if i remember well. Knowledge where to find and how+some luck can do wonders.

Only people who know what they are doing will have good items without bots and duping on ladder.

Thats why I want to play Hardcore as if I will have good gear I wont be just another person who has top items, I will be only one of few :slight_smile:

i don’t play hardcore, i like good items being cheap so i can make completely stupid and totally nonviable builds work in hell.

I would much rather them keep Ladder-only items as they are, but allow them to be made in singleplayer.

Nonladder characters can always trade for the ladder-only items if they were not fortunate enough to make the items themselves previously.

Well goo luck with that if cheating will be stopped :smiley:

which is exactly why i would be able to make stuff like the rarer “ladder only"items and runewords no one builds or keeps like “pride” and “lawbringer” harmoney " kira guardians”

people dont keep those, you would never be able to bring those nl unless yoiu PLAYED ladder yourself made them and then waited for ladder to end… thats a completly stupid system… if i gather the runes for them. why cant i make them? why am i being FORCED to play ladder?, i dont want to “buy them” there is no “solo self found fortitude” in nonladder… becuase you NEED to have played ladder and then transfer it down, OR trade for it.

thats why i have NEVER done “solo self found” its why i dont play single player"
because without access to the rw’s i want there is NO POINT, in playing them

I’ve never play multiplayer after 1.10+, so how easy or difficulty for non-ladder characters trade for a ladder-only item? Like in general how much non-ladder items or currency you need to trade a ladder-only item?

That question varies very very dramatically on what the item in question is.

Price of a Spirit? Relatively cheap (though obviously not near as cheap as it is to make one).

Price of a Grief or Infinity? You’re going to pay a premium. But in theory players on NL have a lot more wealth than players on ladder; so its still obtainable.

What about Ice Matriarchal bow and Non-eth upped Titans? I think those are the only 2 I’m looking for. Anyway, good to know. Thanks.

Runewords are an incentive to be on the ladder. It’s not a problem.

I don’t care about the ladder itself, but I don’t mind the community.

You can call BS on the truth all you want, you have already stated that your runefinding abilities are approximately 1 HR vex+ in every 3-5 YEARS of playing.

You are either A-really unlucky
Or… B-Not very good at D2

Either way, your views on runefinding are irrelevant. Yes, I have self found the runes for enigma in less than a month.
Twice.

its probability… i have been able to trade for hr’s sure… but find them myself??? yeah, i stand by my statement.

lol and you think you need to tell me my luck is bad? i KNOW my luck is bad, my entire life i have always rolled on the low end of statistical improbability.
i played mtgo and went a 18 turn followed directly by a 17 turns in a row with no land draws on a computer shuffler with, more than 1/3rd land in the deck.

i know exactly what im lucky at, i will NEVER have good luck on almost anything

but in school cakewalks i win EVERY SINGLE TIME, im 7 for 7

when i identify anni’s i roll a high anni like 90% of the time
i have rolled THREE 20/20 anni’s one of those being a 20/20/10 and 6 20/19 or 19/20… 2 of which were 10.

maybe 20% of my anni rolls are don’t have more than 25 together between all the stats, and yeah statistically that doesn’t make sense

there is REASON i CHOOSE to become an anni farmer, becuase i KNOW what im lucky at and where i have TERRIBLE luck. and yeah when i became an anni farmer my luck with annis held at that constant high.

and in d2 basically 98% of my luck goes into getting good rolls on anni’s XD
i farm annis and iu would sell them for 4-7 hrs on average and i have sold the perfect ones for over 20 hr’s

i traded for hr’s all the time… but i never FOUND any more than maybe 1 every 2-3
years.

so maybe you did find the runes for enigma twice… i have found 3 20/20 anni’s

but i would wager the average for anni’s rolls and the average for HR’s drop rated is likely somewhere BETWEEN our extremes.

Seems about right…every torch I ID is complete garbage…ok I have gotten a couple good ones ages ago.

lol naa, my torch rolls are garbage too, its just annis XD

You may not have played D1 . . . the variant build options were significantly more viable.
3@30, anyone?
ironman?
Still, I remember building a bash/war cry barb at one point. Ya. Not very viable but he was fun. These days I prefer frenzy on my barb using botd phase blades or swap one out with azurewrath for end game.

bump because this is still a big issue for me. and its been a while and i think it will have some fresh eyes now

If there wasnt ladder only runewords I would never play ladder pretty much.

Pretty pointless if there isnt special items to get. Its one of the main reasons I hated ladders in D3 and stopped doing those pretty quick.

Personally, I like the “Race” to get specialty items, more then I like the leveling race.