I’m glad Paladin of all class is getting an other busted S+ tier spec.
The new FoH with no delay and damage to demons is just absolutely insane. 5.5k magic damage piercing projectiles in every directions, and 15k magic damage piercing Holy Bolts.
Yes it’s only good where there are demons and undeads, but it’s clearly busted where there are demons and undeads. (Just like Jav is busted where there is high density and no light immune)
Just compare Holy Bolt to Bone Spear XD … you get 300% the damage, for half the skill points, at 1/3 the mana cost.
Rejoice, as always Paladins will be able to clear P8 top lvl 85 farming zones x10 faster than anyone else.
Did Paladins really need a magic damage Lightning Fury that doesn’t require gg gear like Griffon or Infinity? 15k magic damage, long range, fast moving, piercing Bolts for 60 skill points is just totally stupid.
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Actualy no, he is not able to do that.
You made his builds like 10x stronger in your mind. Far from reality.
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Wow is it really that strong and cheap or hype?
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its not nearly as strong compared to the S tier Hammerdin build.
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No it it not, OP greatly over exaggerate.
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Hammerdin is still more op … Yet people keep bashing on (New) build instead of the real op one already out there since 20 years … amazing 
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Yes and then just add smite to the build and you have a build that can pretty much do anything in the game better than pretty much anything else. It can head on into Ubers at will.
But honestly I’m glad there is another option in S tier. Just pretty dumb it’s paladin again. And you’re still going to need an enigma first anyway for it to compete with sorceress.
It’s simply not a p8 build. Mediocre at best for p8.
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You all wanted changes. There you have it. Deal with it. 
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While I agree with you that the pally is a disgusting class, you’re exaggerating.
- FoH does have a delay still
- The new Bone spear will do 7k+ damage so not 300%
- S+ tier should be reserved for hammerdin, lite sorc and thats it.
The pally is innately built to tank (1 frame block +easy 75% block + max resist). Why he is given so much damage is the question we ask. My opinion is to either force players to pump points in holy shield and smite, or lower his mage skill damages.
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you obviously didn’t take a FoHdin into Player 8 games.
At players 5 it’s slower than Hammerdin in Chaos and can’t farm half the zones Hammerdin can.
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Community: Can you make Paladin (the hammerdin in particular) less broken in 2.4 than everything else please and let conc NOT synergize with hammer, since it’s a magic and not a phys skill?
Blizzard: We hear you and we changed nothing on the hammerdin we actually gave him the easiest lvl build with a buffed holy fire there is out there and he can also shoot demons now where you can go and completly annihilate hell chaos with a budget FoHdin to farm easy and smoothly for your nobrainer enighammerdin or just buy it, it’s against our ToS but only if we’d care about that tihihi 
- yours truely Blizzard 
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I hear the words “S tier” or “Meta” again i am going to uninstall this game
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20 characters required is a total Meta S+ tier for the forums
bonespear is unviable in pvm. compare it to fireball and lightning. that is much more suitable. also holy bolt’s max dmg is at around 7458-8492 (typical hoto, enigma, spirit, griffons setup with all skillers, torch, anni) not 15k. You doubled its damage with your inaccuracy. compared to bonespear holy bolt cant damage animals, which make up for 50% of all enemytpes. active from NORMAL on, not just in hell like most immunities.
since alot of people fail to do the math i will compare holy bolt to fireball and lightning here:
Holy Bolt:
lvl 1 8-16 ; 2 Mana
lvl10 84-94; 2.5 Mana
lvl20 196-220; 3.1 Mana
max synergies 2156-2420
Max Gear Dmg(Hoto, Griffons, Spirit Setup): 7458-8492
Skillpoints spend: 45 pts (93 for FoH build, Conviction+Holy Shock)
Fireball:
lvl 1 8-19, 5 Mana
lvl10 104-128; 9.5 Mana
lvl20 279-317; 14.5 Mana
max synergies: 3462-3931 14.5 Mana
Max Dmg (Hoto Setup,Skillers, etc.): 20,510–22,120
Skillpoints spend: 92 pts (meteor+fireball build)
lightning:
lvl 1 1-58; 8 Mana
lvl10 1-178; 12.5 Mana
lvl20 1-405; 17.5 Mana
max synergies 3-5963; 17.5 Mana
Max Dmg (Hoto Setup,Skillers, etc.): 7-32,387 (+100% from -res (griffon&infinity; no facets) not included; would be 14–64,774 with it)
Skillpoints spend: 105 (chain lightning+lightning build)
holy bolt does around 66% of the dmg fireball does during leveling. And only 33% of the dmg fireball does at maxgear+synergies (infinity not included in the calculation!). But you could finish a pure holy bolt build without FoH synergies with 45 Skillpoints (with FoH it is 93, so on Fire Sorc levels).
the only things i give you credit for is that i really think the mana is too low at low level( raising the mana base cost from 2 to 4 and doubling the cost per skill level would probably already solve that, since palas also have less mana. amounts of casts per total amount of mana is what counts).
and something none of the people mentioned hybrid builds by skipping on FoH single target damage (which could easily be corrected by moving some of FoH’s synergy dmg from Holy bolt to Holy shock, that way people couldnt skip on Holy shock anymore without aoe dmg penalty)
Morons like you are the reason auradin and hydra sorc were nerfed for no ****ing reason.
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It might peeve some people off, but I’d like to see them go for the gold next ladder. Nerf hammerdins, sorcs, and javazons. Force people to play new builds. Force people to back to figuring out good builds.
Nerf teleport. buff barbs to be s tier. Would be crazy to see. Maybe just temporary for ladder. Shake up the meta big time let’s see what develops
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Allow me then =)
Hammerdin will remain in S tier and be the meta build while FoH won’t be S tier but finnaly playable 
was that enough to make you uninstall the game or should i copy S tier and Meta a few more time?
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just a question because im not playing atm:
Can we hurt EVERY Monster in the game now (2.4) with those holy spell…stuff FoH ? or just special ones ? (back then i never used that skills)
thx