Dual BOTD or BOTD + Death for WW BARB. Does anyone know which is better?
I have en EBOTD CB and want to make either Death or another BOTD to dualwield.
Thinking of making Death in CS in that case. Anyone know?
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Whirldwind speed is calculated with weapon base speed and Wias (ias on the weapon only).
Each weapon has its own calculation.
Death has no ias and in a colossus sword it would mean WW with 7.14 APS as a maximum as far as I can see.
While for example 2 CB BotD manage 12.5 APS.
Personally I would not take Death in WW builds due to the lack of this Wias.
You could experiment with weapons to see what you would want (remove space between ht and tps.
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I thought WW had a capped speed anyway?
Already made the death now anway. But is BOTD+Death better than 2h BOTD CB?
And should i use BOTD or Death as main hand?
WW speed is capped indeed. 6.25 with one weapon, 12.5 with 2 weapons.
As far as I can tell Death in mainhand is a faster, hadn’t checked that before and it could get you up to 8.33 if other hand is BotD CB, however BotD main hand has more DPS according to the calc when you face things like Uber Diablo (due to Crushing Blow).
Not sure why though, but according to the calculator Crushing Blow triggers more often with Death in the off-hand, even though attack speed is lower, might be a bug but otherwise it would make Death offhand better.
If looking at raw DPS including CB vs Uberdiablo (main/offhand): BotD CB/CS Death > BotD CB > CS Death/BotD CB > CS Death for WW.
But again I do not know why the CB on Death doesn’t trigger as often in main hand and if thats correct.
Last time I made a WW build was probably 2004 or close to it.
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Ok, weird that the CB triggers less often with Death in offhand.
But why is is faster to equip Death in mainhand when BoTD-weapon has a much faster attack speed?
To be honest I don’t know, the calc list 8/4 and 4/10 when switching.
I’d have to check the formula first.
Might be that the first hit does not follow same delay as the others (vaguely remember that first attack was free check or something) thus ignoring the slower weapon for first piece of the whirlwind cycle.
But it’s really been a while so not sure anymore, if I find some free time I’ll check the formula’s.
Or maybe someone else has the info at hand.
Whirlwind has a few weird things going on indeed.
I would not use Death for WW either… yes it has wonderful stats especially with DS/CB but the fact that it has no IAS means you’ll never reach 4 frames with WW. Would rather reach max WW frames instead of slower WW + DS/CB. You’ll get enough CB from steelrends + gore riders…
and I’m assuming this is for PvM. Generally BIS = Grief + Beast both made in a BA. You can use Doom instead of Beast for funs especially useful for PvP against Smiters. For PvM BotD may be better than Grief but I haven’t played Barb for PvM in a long time.
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all these discussions seem to end in…
grief/grief
sometimes i see grief/beast but i feel like repairing the beast all the time could get old
id only do eBotD on a big 2hander for funsies.
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dual griefs in a PB are the way to go for WW barb.
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Yeah, more or less Grief/Grief for PVP (if not Grief/Doom vs Smiters), problem is I already made my EBoTD in a CB so sword masteries it is ^^
Not sure if Dual BoTD or BoTD + Grief or Beast is better for PVM (and which should be mh/oh in that case)?
ARRRGH so many queztionsss…
I am running BOTD/Beast and it is fun, plus my friends enjoy the aura on themselves/mercs. You have to be a team player some times.
Grief/grief seems so boring.
Now this is diablo. M
how about botd grief then? grief pb is common and can be resold to smiters anytime.
Nah, range too low on PB (and it looks puny)
Would prefer Zerker in that case.
sry, but if u ever play a 2 grief ba ww barb u never want a pb again.
ba has range 2 and pb only 1, thats is HUGE with ww
tip: Never, never, never, ever use a ba with ed for grief, except u play only pvp!
The rep cost will kill all ur money/rals in minutes.
Dual grief pb for pve. Grief/beast zerkers for pvp.
Or dual grief zerkers for pve if you don’t mind spending 30-50k on repairs every 5-10 minutes.
These are bis
Too low range on PB, and looks puny.
I always thought BA looked super puny too since classic D2 seemed to use the same model as the starting Hand Axe. One of the things I really like in D2R is that War Axe/Naga/BA look more substantial on character than they did in legacy D2 IMO.
Its so lovely to see People actually talk about the Game for once.
I have a question for Grief PB vs BA for Frenzy.
How often do u need to rep and how does that impact the Gold Stash?
PB are indestructible. You never have to repair them. BA costs like 30k every 10-15 minutes if it’s just 1 hand. Can cost double or more if it’s an ED% base.
To put some perspective every 1-3 groups of cows take 1 durability. BA is 26 durability. I repair at least once every cow run. It’s expensive, but manageable so long as you pick up a couple 35k Charsie trash on the way.
My BvC used 2x grief phase blades to level and switching to BA grief/beast for pvp