Thank you Zax for testing it. This information is mind blowing to me. So precast benefits mostly don’t stay? That means skill shrines doesn’t help summoners much as well.
Does this apply to other classes too? Like Valkyrie (my amazon was precasting level 31 Valkyries in town and I was so happy about it), skeletons, and shadows?
Do you mind also testing how heart of wolverine works with the summons? Like does a level 1 HoW gives a level 20 grizzly 20% of 945-1039 damage? Or 20% of 37-75 damage? The same with dire wolves eating corpse. Thank you.
something important to remember is that pets can body block eachother, and while 5 ravens seems like a lot, it’s pretty much just a way for summoner to compete with other builds(nado still beats it due to how damage is calculated).
5 ravens on diablo will be less effective than a druid spamming nados.
for these two reasons: minions and uniques take half damage from mercs and minions. many uniques have a minimum of 50%DR which means your minions are doing 25% normal damage lol(example of this are diablo who will take only half damage from hirelings and minions, and then half damage from phys dmg. this results in ravens being very weak compared to nado in this regard).
I wish they removed the nerf to minions and mercs, cause that’s really unfair. this means while every melee class is doing 50% of their phys dmg to baal, the phys dmg minions are dealing 25%…that’s obviously not fair at all.
I can test few more things today after work maybe. I did dmg chart for grizzly without his passive dmg bonus but cant post it now but you can calculate it on your own.
It starts at level 1 with 30-60 dmg and is increased by 10 every level to 8, then its +15 another 7 level, +20 another 7 levels , + 26 another 7 level and +30 another 7 levels.
So if my calculations were right. Precasted grizzly at skill level 64 with losing all skills afterwards would do 1800 dmg ±.thinking about that ,it still felt like he wasnt doing that much watching him. I will do few more test and compare his dmg vs tornado as its also physical.
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That is very interesting question. I have to test this somehow,but your dmg numbers are off. 37-75 is already increased by his passive ed bonus +25%. Heart of wolwerine should be increased dmg of bear at lvl 20, not at lvl 1.
305-365 should be dmg of grizzly at level 20. Wih his passive bonus on average
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against all uniques and minions, summons and mercs deal HALF their damage. this is reduced further by resistances.
summons are severely handicapped by game mechanics, as are mercs. sad story, but it’s the hand we were dealt.
EDIT: forgot that includes champions and all non-normal enemies. the ONLY enemies who take full damage are regular enemies. this is something that needs to stop.
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Where did you get that info? Because the only info that is related to reduced damage is Hirelings, NOT summons, there’s an actual difference to it. Summons do full damage, whereas Hirelings (your merc) does reduced damage in Hell against Uniques.
oh this knowledge comes from way back man, all the way from arreat summit. that’s why their damage against baal is abysmal
Their dmg vs baal is abyssmal because baal has very high level and like 50% block chance.
I dont think their dmg is lowered but bosses do more damage to them i believe.
First of all, thx for the test!!
Unfortunately, I wasn’t entirely wrong in my fears… pesummon don´t do that much like it should.
I think the grizzly loose hp too, but your test is only act 1 (not every hard hitting monster 
)… but maybe its only the dmg.
HoW and Oage Sage presummon is fine.
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yeah, that’s the info I got from Arreat Summit as well, where Pets do full damage, but take 500% increase damage (which is why Summonmancers practically poof against Diablo, and Summon Druids still survive)
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ok, but i still want this removed
He clearly didnt, when i casted him at level 1 he was dying instantly pretty much. He would lose synergized life tho from wolves.
Right, thats because its not passive dmg. Higher skill level summon is casted with high level aura.Dmg doesnt go from oak or HoW, it goes from aura on that level.
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My tests in pod was only the dmg, I believe you.
You have such a good test setup,
that I will never have (in pod or my d2r console )
But with that test setup you can do everything. Raven presummon works? Dire wolfs and so on.
Thx again!
EDIT: but i’m still sad about it
I really struggle to calculate dmg of grizzly under influence of heart of wolverine. I am checking my calculations vs maxroll and it just doesnt add up. I tried 3 different possibilities and dmg there is still different than mine.i am either doing something wrong but dont know what at all or maxroll has it wrong there.
Maybe necro summons work differently because they get their synergy from a seperate skill, Skeleton Mastery and Golem Mastery? Giveing them flat dmg per lvl instead of percentage based?
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Ok i got it i think 
Situation A
Grizzly lvl 30+HoW lvl 14
Grizzly will do 2819-2977 with his normal attack
Situation B
Grizzly lvl 30+HoW lvl 14 + precasting with skill shrine and +4 all skills equip
Grizzly will do 4021-4191 until HoW and he dies with his normal attack.
Situation C
Grizzly lvl 30+HoW lvl 14 + precasting with skill shrine and +4 all skills equip and How dying and recasted without + additional skills from precast
Grizzly will do 3724-3881 damage with his normal attack.
Keep in mind that i calculated only grizzly and curently i am dont have data on ravens and wolves.
Conclusion:
Precasting is great but its most effective with higher level of grizzly.
Don´t get it…
Your level 64 grizzly without +skills have no dmg in your video?
For me is the Conclusion: Yeah, the grizzly survive more but the dmg snapshot is meh
He has no dmg because he has only 25%ed instead of 655%.
Sure, level 20 is 215ed… maybe you can do that test with 20 hard points?
So we can see if onlye the ed is not snapshoted or the base dmg as well.
20 hard points bear should do 945-1039 dmg, thats with ed bonus included.
I am confused about what you are asking now exactly?20 hard point in skill and then what else?
20 hard points in grizzly is lvl 20 summon and lvl 20 dmg mastery. Skill is doing two things, casting grizzly and also increasing dmg as passive mastery.