And, like me, who are off soloing 8 player content, while alot of you are all fighting over loot, and many others run to the forums to cry one single guy made their game tougher, though he could solo it all, and they cant.
So how can i possibly be leeching YOUR loot? No, i don’t want that crap in my game. At the very least, blizz could just make a different server for the players who cant handle a lil bit of good ole fashion cutthroat play.
It wouldn’t bother me in the slightest to be rid of them all in my sanctuary.
What’s next, remove the hostile button? Too many people don’t like someone can just come along and go postal on them… Too bad. This is the game. Period.
Nope. That is not how ploot works. A player needs to be in physical proximity to the kill to have a RNG roll to get loot. In contrast, a player in an FFA game can wait in town and get all the leftover gear in your enigma example.
That isnot was is being asked for. Slippery slope/strawman
So if someone in some future time does ask for something potentially, that does not invalidate that is not what people in general want or being asked for. I have seen players who support FFA loot making threads about increased drop rates. Does that mean we should get rid of FFA loot? Of course not. Strawman/slippery slope
You typed all that up to say nothing at all… your entire thing just says, it’s not made for D2LOD. Well it’s D2R and you’ve still not supplied anything that would make us think… “you know what, maybe he’s right, maybe there shouldn’t be ploot” I appreciate the wall of text… but my dude, it brought nothing. You said it has been debunked… where? Where is the proof that ploot wouldn’t work here?
I agree with Bodach, I could not have worded it better. I want to add one thing competing for loot was never the intent of the game and with bots, scripting, and controllers we have new issues that need to be dealt with. Ploot can solve a lot of that. The Controllers and scripters will still be getting more loot than the average player. I do not see a problem with Ploot.
Here is an argument for you all. If Diablo 2 Resurrected gets changed too much (even with a bunch of minor tweaks) it will cease to be a remaster of Diablo 2 + LoD expansion. Changing things too much means it will be a different game with the same story, art assets, but the endgame will go from farming for a sense of accomplishment to instant gratification. This will mean trading long term will become unnecessary since everyone would acquire everything. Imagine people wanting to trade an Enigma only to find out just about everyone has one. Playing the game would be just to grind without the aspiration of anything.
What you show in the link are his current thoughts. Not what he would’ve wanted when Blizz North created the game. You said that if he could go back in time he would’ve had D2:LOD created that way. He didn’t say that so it means his thoughts have changed on the matter.
The trouble is though i don’t that that would bode well if they add it in. There could be compatibility issues with the D2:LOD game engine underneath. And don’t say just remove that engine and get a different one. Not only would that mean more work but it would also mean losing the feel of Diablo 2 LOD. All due to how sprites are generated.
Also regardless of how it is implemented it won’t bode well in the long run. Where it will evolve into what you and others don’t want which is ploot for everyone in the party at the same time loot drops. Where a boss that drops 1-5 items all in the party gets 1-5 items all at random and the items are not the same either.
Still it is okay to know his thoughts have changed.
In physical proximity that is a big lol. Why, well just think of this possible team up in ploot. A Lightning fury Zon with engima. This one is well geared and can clear screens full of enemies and teleports around. Now let’s say that the rest of the group are not sorceresses and don’t have teleport. The Zon would get all of the loot dropped for her and her alone.
You have to remember D2:LOD is not like some of the modern games where you need to have all players well coordinated. Where they are also close in power to one another. All working together at the same time to get the job done. One player in an eight party team could be more than strong enough to get the job done all on their own.
Under the situation that I described earlier everyone would complain that they are not getting any loot as they were under FFA. So Blizz would evolve it where in time it would be like I said earlier.
I know it is not what is asked for I am saying what it will evolve into. Due to the fact that loot for all in the party is the only logical way that would be fair for all in a public game. Now private where everyone has decided to share then even FFA (gasp) can be fair.
I have seen different threads and posts that make ploot seem like the superman that will rescue the game. Where it will put an end to all kinds of cheating. Players will ditch their scripts that help them pick up loot faster than what we can do, even with a controller. They would stop botting as well all because of the might ploot superman. Well it won’t do any of that at all.
You might not think so because you actually believe that no one would ever dare ask for more changes after ploot. Boy is that a big lol moment. What have you been drinking if you think that is the case. I know people better than you think I do. They would ask for things that even you wouldn’t want and use the same arguments that plooters have been using along with saying well plooters got what they wanted we deserve to get the same. They would even sell it as just another option.
Yeah you it is debunked just because you said so. Oh it would be impossible for anyone to ever ask for anything else ever right. No more changes after the superman ploot to the rescue right.
Plus ones like you either ignore or water down the concerns and good points of others. Then even go as far as to say that what I am saying is impossible it will not happen. It will be implemented just as you say it will without it ever evolving into what you don’t want it to be.
Also saying that it cannot be implemented in the way you wouldn’t want it. Mind telling me when paraon 1.0 for D3 was implemented why wasn’t it implemented the exact way it was asked for. Sure they used the idea as inspiration but that is all Blizz done. Paragon 2.0 turned out the same way as paragon 1.0.
Exhibit A: You give evidence what I was telling MicroRNA earlier. That you and others like you think that ploot is the mighty superman to the rescue. Where players would stop using controllers, scripts and bots. Which means the end of all cheating. They wouldn’t even use them when they play solo. That is how powerful the almighty ploot is.
What I find fascinating though is if this is true then why does D3 have the problem with botting yet it has the almighty ploot in a way that most wouldn’t want for D2R.
Asking for changes that don’t affect the core features and mechanics what makes D2 D2 then you would be fine. But mess with the core features and mechanics and I am sure you will see the storm as players just quit. The forums along with social media would get hit with the backlash if such changes are made. No, I am not talking ploot if it is added, although some might quit (not me because I play solo).
Nothing will ever force me to play teamed unless the game changes where I am auto assigned to a team every time I play. Where the only time to solo is offline.
The problem is though if the core features that make D2 D2 change then will the title of the game, the story, the monsters, as well as names of classes change as well. How much of the original game is just a placeholder to ones such as you.
Agreed, I say let D2R be the game that it is, sure some minor changes that make sense might be fine. But change too much then Blizz would have another storm to weather. I don’t think it would be wise to do much more than just a few minor tweaks and changes that make sense.
If they want that then there is always D3 for that.
have not read it all, but I guess to know what reason are called to hae changes and because I am with the fraction of the No way, never, let it be, I imagine that also everything was told for this good reason.
So this is me, not speaking for the world or entire fan base, just telling why I can enjoy D2R more than my long years played, still very much liking D3RoS actual status at the moment.
D3 is nice to play with my friends and it is fast and with heavy droprate. 3 Greater rifts and the complete inventory is full with legendaries. Could be fun. Also I can switch easy from support build to damage build, to gold farming rift gear or fast bounty build.
On the other side i play d2, mostly solo and selffound. The droprate is cruel and bitter, I get some green or golden uniques but mostly not very fitting for my character. So I collect lot of items for some character later other classes, what even makes interest to play such class later. With the given runewords it is much better than before them, now I can use some good bases and create an item for me, better than what drops. It helps along.
So I am still at character number one at level 72 and just startet hell, what is hell to survive.
This is not like d3, when you get your set and build enabling legs, what lets you jump from torment1 to T16. After this point the rest is only grinding paragons to get stronger for even higher Greater rifts. But some day I reached Gr150 in group and thats it.
Not in D2. My way to get my character as perfect as possible will take time and I will enjoy the tour. So why change loot to D3 like fast food loot? Please do not.
For people asking for ploot I have a different solution for you all. It is how the Item Drop rate works in multiplayer. I’m not talking about increasing the max bonus on this end but I am suggesting it be altered to have a smaller scale window which should benefit most people. Here is the rough estimate as it stood in classic Diablo 2.
1
1-(0.75^1) = 0.250
2
1-(0.75^2) = 0.438
3
1-(0.75^3) = 0.578
4
1-(0.75^4) = 0.684
5
1-(0.75^5) = 0.763
6
1-(0.75^6) = 0.822
7
1-(0.75^7) = 0.867
8
1-(0.75^8) = 0.900
My thoughts would be to convert the formula to something more like the following so the delta goes from 0.65 to being 0.5 on the Party Drop section of party increase.
1
0.40
2
0.50
3
0.55
4
0.65
5
0.70
6
0.75
7
0.80
8
0.90
While this wouldn’t drastically change things overall I doubt even this would be approved of as a solution because these aren’t the original values and it removes the formula from the first set of numbers. I’m also not sure how the other long term players would take to this revision of the numbers even though the top number (8 player party) didn’t change.
but no it wouldn’t be like that at all personal loot would just make multiplayer an option for people who would otherwise not play with other people because of a number of reasons that leads to them not having a chance at getting drops in groups.
it’s not like people are asking for items to drop that are from world of warcraft in d2
I am not sure you read correctly. People are not asking for increase drops, here everyone get as much drop as a 8 player game alone. The loot does not increase.
People are asking loot to be auto allocated instead of everyone rushing for the same loot.
Also people want it AS an option. No one adocate it to replace Free for all (FFA) loot system. You can still play FFA.
Part of the games excitement is beating others to the loot. When you actually DO get it before 7 other people, it feels great. That’s also part of what makes items as valuable as they are. If there was Ploot, items would not retain their value like they do, because Ploot would also force a system that made sure everybody found everything eventually, meaning drop rates would HAVE to increase. This would suck for everyone involved in terms of maintaining a real economy.
Ploot already exists. It’s called single player. Or even solo play in multiplayer mode. You get all the loot u need there.
How sucky would it be if your PLoot decided to distribute you the sol rune that just dropped, but the next item that dropped was the ber rune and it PLooted it to someone else? Because that’s what you would get. An entire forums filled with whiney people who always get bad ploot.
It would turn an epic chase for loot, into a loot lottery. Bots wouldn’t even need to have any risk any more, they would just follow someone else and end up leeching off them with their PLoot. Ploot presumably wouldn’t drop the same amount of loot for each person when 2 people are in the game, so when a 2nd player comes in, you get less loot because of it, and they’d just bot follow you.
The game thrived on the system it has now. Every time blizzard changes fundamental stuff to new aged wishes, their games nose dives. I’m okay with balancing skills that clearly need it, but leave the fundamental loot system alone.
If you dont like the loot system, there’s options for you, but stop trying to change a successful games model. ENOUGH!
Regardless of your suggestions you’ve countered other peoples arguments with, it’s a bad idea that changes the entire feel of the game, to a lesser immersive/competitive one. That’s good for nobody. It’s not good for Blizzard, it’s not good for the market, and it’s not good for the players.
Nice numbers, but you are missing the point completely.
people are NOT asking for higher drop. People are asking loot to be distribute evenly. Thats the whole point of wanting Ploot.
Think of it like distributing cards in a card game whee all cards must be distributed evenly amount players. The quality of cards are obviously not balance & some get better cards than other, but everyone get small amount of cards. The total cards in the deck does not change. We just divide them among the players.
Who get loot HAS NOTHING to do with capability or skill. The leecher could get ALL loots as well in FFA games. If I am a leecher I will FAR prefer FFA, & I will just wear high defensive gears, stick near bosses like well a leech then use some Pickit scrip & spam A on controller with a clean inventory.
No, you actually have to provide a point for people to actually take you seriously… writing an essay means nothing, specially when you literally say nothing in that essay, zero points were made, you refused to address, “why ploot is bad” you just say what every person who aligns themselves with your opinion says. If you’re going to make an attempt at a point, tell us why it’s bad… nothing personal, statistics that prove it would be bad, your feelings about it are irrelevant, as are mine. But at least try to make a point.
I see there are still a bunch of little angry orange screamers in here, beating their chests saying a change to the game would destroy it without providing any logical argument against it.