Diablo II Resurrected is a ___ REMASTER ___

yes but why not make it even more awesome

Those changes were more QoL changes than fundamental changes, imo. Same with respec. Also, balancing changes are always welcomed. People who want things like personal loot though, that would be a fundamental change. D2, at its core, is all about loot. Any changes to how loot works would be a fundamental change.

Respec was a QoL. Synergies and the mass of OS Skill based runewords were not QoL, but massive changes to the gameplay and skill system. The ideas were fine, but they were not properly balanced imo, which is why Diablo 2 turned into “Rise of the Hammerdin.” Does the Hammerdin being powerful bother me? No. Does it being OP to the point that it almost completely overshadows the other classes and outperforms the balance of the rest of the game (ie, very few Magic Immunes)? Yes.

There is a reason that this has been a hot topic since 1.10, and a reason that out of all potential questions that could come from Blizzcon during the Panels, that this was one of them. Devs know game is unbalanced, and plan on releasing it at launch that way. Don’t be surprised and shocked that balance changes come with a patch a ladder season or two into launch.

Personally, D2 was my favorite video game at that time. Things change, technology evolves, tastes differ. There is no reason not to introduce a separate mode where there is personal loot (either selected at game creation or character creation based on what Blizzard decides). The original global loot mode remains. Old school D2 players get the game they want. Other players can choose to have a different experience.

“Loyalty to petrified opinion never yet broke a chain or freed a human soul.” – Mark Twain. While loyalty is usually a positive value, it can turn into a burden for people who like to stay loyal to subjective things such as opinions or convictions. Change is the law of life and our loyalty must always know how to navigate changes.

Originally, you could not respec at all in D2. I think it was patch 1.10 (I think) that allowed respecs. To me, this was bad game design of early patches.

My response was mostly directed at the fact that respec was a QoL addition in post 1.10 patches (I think 1.11 or 1.12), but the bulk of 1.10 was a massive shift of gameplay and balance changes, which was a fundamental shift as opposed to a basic QoL shift. I’m fine with the respec. It is limited to one per difficulty, then if you want more, you got to farm them. Makes one think “do I really want to farm these, or just roll a new character?”

To be honest, with the way the game changed it’s system in 1.10, you kind of needed those respecs. It isn’t like the game progresses the player into immune monsters beyond boss types bit by bit, it slams them into you around mid Nightmare, to where whatever build a player completely new to the game might have issues and quit the game.

At the time, many players complained that adding respecs was a fundamental change that “killed” D2. I liked the ide. That conversation has similarities to the current discussion of adding the option of instanced loot but not removing the anility to also have games that are exclusively global loot.

D2 diehards at the time said respecs would ruin the game and kill longevity. We now know that was not the case with 20/20 hindsight.

Yep. And I’ve also been wondering, why back in 2011 people pre-purchased D3 when it seemed, that they hate the franchise in general.
Then they would troll the forums and oppose any reasonable request for improvements, and they would support all the craptastic features, that ruin D3 to this day.

That’s not to say, that D2 is perfect, and that it can’t use few quality of life improvements, but some of the demands are truly unreasonable.

Being a beggar in D2 almost seems like a legitimate and honorable tactic, especially when compared to some of the crap I’ve read on these forums in recent days.
I imagine many of those people would even fail at begging for gear, considering, that the way they conduct themselves is… quite frankly annoying…

Can you though? Because that’s really what’s up for debate. People have been trying to recreate the diablo 2 magic for two decades and couldn’t.

“Making it more awesome” as you put it very well could ruin the magic entirely.

I say let’s keep the meddling to a minimum.

It was essentially already possible to respec you just made a new character and swapped over your gear.

Much like mule characters vs shared storage being a QoL respecing your character is just a QoL change as it was essentially already possible.

You could easily power level up a character to level 65 within a day.

Because there isn’t anything else to talk about. :wink: the base D2 stuff you said has been talked about for 20 years. People can find answers for any base stuff on the internet much easier than posting here. People want to talk about new stuff. This is human nature.

could wery easy be alot better

Because “experiments” could destroy it. We want Diablo 2 for 2021 and not Diablo 2.5 - like D3 mixed with d2

People want to talk about new stuff.

And that’s why Diablo 4 and Diablo Immortal are on the horizon. D2 isn’t a new game and neither is D2R.

This is the point. :point_up:

I agree. The game is great, but I always usually quit playing for the same reasons too; how unbalanced the game is since the 1.10 patch. I primarily play the succulent mod anymore, a solo self found mod with infinite stash that balances the game towards single player, such as 1.10+ monster stats, but closer to 1.09 monster resists, and some other qol features. I had more fun on it than I had on Bnet since before the 1.10 patch.

All I can say is that this forum is filled with toxicity, from both D2 and D3 players.

Actually, the toxicity is everywhere: reddit, twitter etc.

People complain about every single aspect of every game; there will never be consensus among the forum gladiators, as long as they continue to live in this “virtual” world.

I, for one, like the idea of letting the development of the games - be it D2R, D4 or any other game - in the hands of the people that came up with the idea, in the first place.

When the devs start giving too much attention to people outside the developers’ inner circle, things start falling apart.

I hope, sincerely, that they stay resolute about what was shown at Blizzcon about D2R and move forward with THEIR OWN IDEAS for D4.

Don’t kill this masterpiece with stupid changes !

I don’t think the people calling for all the changes realize the longevity of the game is tied directly to the rarity of certain uniques and HR and then the variety of builds available not seen in later iterations of the game. D3 is stale after just a few days of play and it based on primarily sets which are basically given to you for free at the beginning of the season. My last witch doctor jumped from T4 to T15 in just a couple hours of play. If I did that with every class I get a month of play out of the game then wait for the next season…it’s just bad.

We need to just have D2 be D2 where I’ve never seen a zod rune, never made the best rune words, never made a hammerdin, because all of this gives players something to look forward to and it’s still true after 20 years that there are still things to do without making a single change to the game.

I don’t really understand the discussion here at all.
The topic title is unmistakable and actually says everything.