Maybe it’s time for this philosophy to appear in D2R as well. I fully agree that the best way to get best items should be to play the game not sit on weird third party websites.
Lobby is spammed by trade offers instead of uniting people to enjoy game together. Seeing current mess with botting, p2w, d2jsp, duping people have right to feel disappointed, upset and like they are just wasting time simply playing how the game is supposed to be played compared to those businessman players.
D2 would have died multiple times in these 20 years without trading.
Trading is one of the most important parts of this game. There is nothing to change here.
Wasn’t original D2 dead with only bots online? I think mods or streamers speedrunning, doing offline Holy Grail kept it alive until D2R brought attention again.
While discord trading didn’t exist, and bots were seen in a positive light because they hosted infinite baal runs for you, there was still an active player and legit trading base.
That’s because they don’t care and don’t want to put the extra work to make trade possible while removing rmt occurrences
They are doing the are minimum to cover the fact that this is just Diablo 3 reskinned
Yep
But purists don’t want to aknowledge this
They think the game was kept relevant simply by the base version
The many full mods and qol mods are what kept the game alive
And that’s why Blizzard blocked modding on D2R and patched it horribly, they wanted the hype to be ephemerous so that people jump on the D4 train
Why would you want people to keep playing the 40$ product and it to be good for years when you can sabotage it and push people toward your 100$ product which has mtx battlepass and soon P2w
It was all calculated
They could fix this problem just by having an easy to use in-game trade/listings feature.
EDIT: To expand on this. If I can link an item in the chat, why can’t I link that item to a trade listing? Have listing cancel if that item is no longer in my inventory/stash/mouse cursor. Let people see it and offer against it with a simple click-to-accept, and a withdraw-only trade tab similar to the post-season stash. Add stackability to runes and gems, and suddenly the game has a great trading framework built in.
you´re right, op. blizz should wave the white flag to a couple of bad guys, let them ruin the fun for EVERYONE else…
Botting is the issue here. Open trading is great.
Nice bait topic… can’t wait for you guys to be gone when D4 arrives
With enough motivation and given enough time, people will find the cracks in the system and exploit them, be it for gains of money and/or power… Just like they do IRL.
Diablo 4 is no exception.
They should remove trading from D2R actually. Far more bad than good comes from it.
Also, D2 was never “alive” for 20 years lol, even D2R died within 6 months to 1 year (small indie games in Steam have way more playerbase). Stop being so deep in denial.
I wish we had what path of diablo had. You would put our items in our stash and it would just post to a website people could check like POE. You could go even further and have an auto buy feature to reduce scamming and interaction with the other person. Before D2jsp currency we were using runes and SOJS to price everything. We could keep a rune currency system and say I post a shako for a Vex+pul and someone comes along with those runes. They hit buy, it takes runes from their stash and then removes shako from my shared stash.
It easy to draw up an idea but im no coder and not sure how a system like this would work on the backend but it would be my ideal trading system.
That sounds good. If there must be trading I’d love it to be automated. Auction House in D3 wasn’t that terrible until they added real money to it. Only because of rmt aspect everyone now freaks out when they hear AH so we will probably never get it and be stuck with ancient mechanic.
PoE trading is annoying as well. It’s constant interruption of gameplay when people send private messages to you when they want to buy. You have to stop playing, leave map, invite them to team, visit their hideout ugh but that game overall feels like a job lol.
i think d2jsp is bad and unfair for the game at the ladder start. You should’nt be allowed to trade w/o ladder curency which is runes/items ofc. I don’t even speak about rmt trading.
But also i think that traderie is good and legit example what d2 trading should be. If they’ll done something like than in d4 it would be perfect.
But i guess we won’t see anything like that.
They’ll be back here in no time. Mixture of talking bad about D4 and praising it. But they won’t be on the D4 forums, they’ll just be here all day every day for some reason.
Trading is great. You think far more bad comes from it because you focus on botters 24/7 and dream about them when you sleep. There is nothing bad about trading and far more regular users trade and chill. I’m so glad that you have the numbers for how many D2R accounts are online at any time and can compare them to indie games. Your uncle must work for Microsoft and blizzard.
Traderie is trash and slow just like in game trading. Thankfully D2JSP has made trading for so long. I know you think everyone brings in hoardes of wealth into the new ladder, but that isn’t the case. Most people flying past you with an enigma didn’t just blow 40k fg on day 1 to get it.
man it’s just a lie, traderie is ok in terms of speed.
nah i don’t think so and it doesn’t bother me at all, but you can’t deny fact that jsp made buying gear for bots ultra accesible at the ladder start.
Any single trade period I can complete probably 50 of them before you’d finish with your first. In a VERY rare instance you might be able to match my speed at best, but overall not a chance. Keeping in mind that on JSP I’d have to make 2 trades to do the same thing you’re trying to do on tradierie and I’d still beat you on average. Not only beat you but handily beat you. Every single person who thinks traderie is “ok” or “good” either doesn’t know or is lieing. You can have your reasons for why you don’t want to use JSP, but JSP demolishes the competition in trading speed even in scenarios where 2 trades must take place to reach the same goal as someone who is using traderie.
Okay, buying gear for bots should perhaps be the least of your concern, but I will point out that botters are clearly on traderie as well. Now these new bots don’t seem to buy gear anymore, they self-gear, but before that when botters bought gear on JSP that was solely because trading is better and faster and you reach a wider audiance than anywhere else. Perhaps their gearing up in the old days would have been delayed if JSP didn’t exist, but then all trading would be slower and worse for everyone.
i won’t argue with you about trading cuz there is literally no point - i don’t hate jsp i think it’s ok and even good however not on the ladder start. But as far as i know people who’s using bots on commercial basis always buy gear on jsp cuz it increases the effectivnes of bots dramatically(like only for 1-2k fg and it’s nothing for them). And that is my main concern.
I saw a guy on jsp the other day in HC trading wanting to buy 4 Azurewraths. I just had a good laugh the only thing thats good for is pindle botting so you dont die.
Trading is a big part in why I play these games. Yes making your character stronger is part of it but once thats done I like to farm and barter. Thats what keeps me engaged its like playing a slot machine trying to hit the jackpot.
The issue comes when people put real $ value on these virtual items. This brings in scamming and shady people. Also some people make more money playing and selling items then they would in some countries. What trade system can be put in place to minimize 3rd party/ RMT abuse. The one I mentioned above in this thread could minimize RMT but it could still be abused somehow.